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Originally posted by Paul_collier
Well, what can be said in reply to Robbo's post, no company is goint to pile money into a team that *might* have what it takes, the only way a team is going to get that money is by proving themselves in the local circuit and the millenium circuit.
What money is needed then? Equipment? I think its safe to say that all the players have adequate equipent to do the job, they did at the last tournament I attended any rate!
So then I guess its down to somewhere to train, someone to train with, paint, someone with experiance to do the coaching and then tournament entrance fee's, all in all not that much cash really (depending on IF the experianced coach is going to charge??) when split among 10 men (minnimum). or am I missing something else?
Paul.

Paul, you are missing the point, someone somewhere has to first of all decide they want to invest in the formation of a team that is going to have as its goal, top pro status and I am talking about top pro status in the world not just in Europe.
He then selects somebody who he thinks can do the job in terms of leadership, direction, dedication and knowhow.
Then and only then can that selected person get on with the job of filling his team roster and that will predominantly mean, young players.
Teaching old dogs new tricks in this era of modern paintball ain't gonna get you nowhere believe me.
It's all about teaching young players the right way to play.
Find the money, find the man, find the raw material.
Mix together for about a year and then you might get somewhere.
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Re: Re: OK, here's the deal...

Originally posted by Paul_collier


That is afterall what JCS Imperial were set up to do, they have the sponsers the talent and the resourses to do it, they will put UK paintball back on the map!

Paul
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not if Little Stoney and Chris Stoney(ex-pimp) have got anything to do with it!!!;)
 

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Originally posted by Robbo



Paul, you are missing the point, someone somewhere has to first of all decide they want to invest in the formation of a team that is going to have as its goal, top pro status and I am talking about top pro status in the world not just in Europe.
He then selects somebody who he thinks can do the job in terms of leadership, direction, dedication and knowhow.
Then and only then can that selected person get on with the job of filling his team roster and that will predominantly mean, young players.
Teaching old dogs new tricks in this era of modern paintball ain't gonna get you nowhere believe me.
It's all about teaching young players the right way to play.
Find the money, find the man, find the raw material.
Mix together for about a year and then you might get somewhere.
Laters
Robbo
No, I do understand the point your making! good luck finding someone to do it though!!

It'll all come together though if Teams practice more and learn the new techniques which are out there, I think you can teach old dogs new tricks!

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Stop dissing our home buoys K2 Mr.big, u asked for it, they are very passionate about 'ball and help us out no end, i think our win at the mid masters was because of there help and tuition, and there confidence in us. This is a team to look out for this season. thats my input to the discussion, now im backing out in fear of further reprisals

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Re: Re: Re: OK, here's the deal...

Originally posted by Walker (PsychoPimps)


not if Little Stoney and Chris Stoney(ex-pimp) have got anything to do with it!!!;)
Thought little Stoney played for Nitro or has he done a bunk on them as well now? hope he had the balls not to do it by TEXT message this time!!! :mad: not that I'm bitter.....:rolleyes:

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I would like to make a point just so’s people have got a handle on what I am trying to say because I don’t want anybody to think that what I am advocating is almost impossible.

I recently, well a few months ago, had the opportunity to go up north to a tournament at John Payne ‘s site at Eylsham (not sure of the spelling on that one, I get confused with the spelling with anything north of Watford).

Anyway, there were over 40 teams there I think and this is my point.

I never really got a good chance to see a lot of games up there but I can tell you this much, I could have easily selected 8 young players from what I saw that would easily make the grade as top class pros given the right direction and training.

These players I am talking about that would be the raw material I am referring to, are not all frikkin Californian based, they are everywhere if you know what to look for, the Northern teams are loaded with the young *******s.

I say I could have easily picked 8 of them; in fact, I could have picked 20 of them that would have made the grade and that was only after a minimal viewing.

There were hardly any teams from down south at this tournament and those that were there were festooned with predominantly old timers, well maybe not old timers but experienced and older type players.

The problem that teams or perhaps it would be better expressed, that individual players have, is that they are generally immersed and camouflaged (or rather their abilities are) in amongst teams and players who have no real direction or flair.

We have the talent base or rather raw material base, of that I am sure and it seems a frikkin tragedy that whilst all the top American companies invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in their top teams, what do we get ?

About five American top pro teams are getting more than 100,000 dollars (some considerably more) of sponsorship in the form of cash, paint and product.

Is it any real wonder why we are behind ?

What UK company is going to come up with that sort of dosh ?

None that I know of, they would rather send it Stateside but who can blame them when that’s where the biggest market is !!!

But it would be nice to get someone with a bit of faith in the UK scene instead of just paying lip service to it with a few boxes of paint and maybe a few cheap guns.

Potentially the north has more opportunity than us down south because of the number of teams and different mind set of the players, it just takes the next step for that to be transformed into something significant.

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Originally posted by Paul_collier
What about the team you train Robbo backlash is it? or am I waaaay behind??
Paul
I do still play with Backlash, 'yes' but the youngest player is like 27 and the average age is something well over 30.
If I had these players in their teens then the team would have been one of the best in the world but there will always be a plateau of achievcement that can never be surpassed when players have been playing for a long time.
I'm afriad it's one of life's little ways of telling you, you are getting old.
This does not mean that a seasoned player has no role in the modern game but the average has to be under 22 with one maybe two (at the most) players older than 30.
The rest of the team roster provide the youthful core of nurtured talent.
Robbo