UK Paintball Pt 2

[niax]

i would love to have the usage of an indoor reball field, i'm far happier paying more for unlimited reballs than i would normally pay for a box of normall paint - the idea that i can use as much as i want is amazing, i've always felt the idea of my wallet hanging over me when firing...the idea that i can spend up to 25p a second if ramping on my ion is insane - especially for someone which only gets £6 a week.

the only thing is, if a site is set up anywhere, you have to place them in places which are accessable - one in the south east, one near birmingham, one further up north and one near bristol, i think this will give quite a large spread of paintballers

i've always wanted to go to a noobie day at the northern quarter, or something like it, except it's far to far away, especially for someone who can't drive - the idea of having a facility like this down south within range would be great!

 

[Robbo]

For my own curiosity, I just wanna canvass people’s views about part of my previous post where I am advocating players get serious about their paintball and maybe part and parcel of that seriousness could well involve the pruning of players (maybe friends) from the team who may not as be motivated.
This reassessment can also involve people leaving (if so inclined) their teams to find fortune with other teams who are more serious about their playing.
Could our average (dedicated tournament) player negotiate these sometimes unpalatable decisions?
I know this process is happening all the time but if we are to take Brit paintball by the scruff of the neck and sort ourselves out then we need to drastically accelerate this process….could we hack it or will we Jack sh!t ?


Or are we just gonna get people talking the talk and when it comes to walking the walk, suffer a bout of paralysis in the lower limbs…..Hmmmm, I wonder.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by NIALL
Hi Pete,

I'm not trying to replicate a grass field. I can't offer what I don't have.

The best I can do is to make it dry underfoot, all year round, instead of the slippy mud. I've put flood lights up, with even more going up as we speak. There is air on tap etc etc. Also there is a new field arriving imminently.

I agree sliding will be very difficult on wood chip but that will be a concession that will have to be made by those that want to use it. Many skills can be practised, just not all of them.

Unfortunately , The trees are oaks and listed - I can't remove them.

The idea is to create a meeting place, where once a month where knowledge can be passed on by those who know, on to those who don't. I am trying to make what we have as good as it can be for the environment its is in. If there is somewhere more suitable in the area for the purpose then great. But there isn't yet and the one that was failed. As soon as one comes along then you can guarantee I'll support it.

There is a great advantage to having this sort of facility at a rental site like Campaign. Lots of rentals go through our gates. Our monthly walk on is fairly well attended and growing. We actively promote tourney ball as we run the Campaign Cup and its good cross promotion. If the rentals can play on Sup Air on site then hopefully they'll want to take the next step and take up the sport. Also If there are a load of guys training on site then its a perfect chance to get the newbies on the hook, and join or form new teams.

Niall, with no disrespect, we have to have an arena of playing and training that is comensurate with the arena on which we play. All we are talking about here is an area of grass mate, that's all.
Sure, if it's the only option availabe, then what you have is better than nothing but it's not what is needed mate.
An integral feature of the modern game is movement and as such it needs to be practiced along with other techniques and cannot be ignored.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Originally posted by Robbo
For my own curiosity, I just wanna canvass people’s views about part of my previous post where I am advocating players get serious about their paintball and maybe part and parcel of that seriousness could well involve the pruning of players (maybe friends) from the team who may not as be motivated.
This reassessment can also involve people leaving (if so inclined) their teams to find fortune with other teams who are more serious about their playing.
Could our average (dedicated tournament) player negotiate these sometimes unpalatable decisions?
I know this process is happening all the time but if we are to take Brit paintball by the scruff of the neck and sort ourselves out then we need to drastically accelerate this process….could we hack it or will we Jack sh!t ?


Or are we just gonna get people talking the talk and when it comes to walking the walk, suffer a bout of paralysis in the lower limbs…..Hmmmm, I wonder.

That will only happen when 'having a big car' ceases to be major selling point for a player. Problem is still the lack of structure..... nothing to stop a bunch of mates entering almost any UK tourney... kit, transport and £70 each. That's all you need. One big fragmented mess with no ladder to climb. Everyone sniping at everyone else. Why shouldn't I show up with a bunch of half crippled border line alcoholics? Yes, we'll lose, yes, we'll make the event into a joke But what's actually stopping us?
That's the problem. there's no shallow end for us to 'knock about' in and have a laugh. No ranks to rise through, not really. And for a new player, spare cash is still the limiting factor, not skill, potential or commitment. (With the exception of those squads putting a 'youth' infrastructure in place).

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

if any one has any good idea's about how to run a "Academy" for player's iw would love to hear your thought's any input would be great email or pm or phone

No problem dude - you fly me over once a month - with a hefty pay - and you're sorted

Nick

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Niall, with no disrespect, we have to have an arena of playing and training that is comensurate with the arena on which we play. All we are talking about here is an area of grass mate, that's all.

Actually buddy - you guys are playing most of your big league games on artificial turf during a season - so grass is not ideal either

Haven't seen Nialls field - but if it is dry and fine woodchip, like what is used at CPA's indoor arena here in Copenhagen, you actually come closer to what you need with woodchip, than with grass (especially because the grass used at training fields if a far cry from soccer turf, which is what event turf tries to emulate)

Maybe you should persuade Niall to buy some XL Turf and put it on top of the woodchip?

- Well actually - a cheap industrial type carpet on top of woodchip WOULD work - and not be too expensive, which the XL turf is

Nick

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

You guys seem to be on the right track

All you need to focus on next, is to get a sensible tournament series going in the UK.... because having lots of serious walk on players is no good, if they then end up in a series that does not cater to their ambition level.

Nick

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

Site owners can try to be accomadating but if teams don't want to train. An indoor site with a sup air field reachable by London public transport has offered to leave Sundays as team training day.

How many teams jump at the chance as their local sites become unusable over winter?

1 individual in 4 days....

http://67.19.5.132/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54257

I think this is a good example of the lip service some teams pay to training but their lack of follow through. If we can't help ourselves why should sites?

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Actually buddy - you guys are playing most of your big league games on artificial turf during a season - so grass is not ideal either

Haven't seen Nialls field - but if it is dry and fine woodchip, like what is used at CPA's indoor arena here in Copenhagen, you actually come closer to what you need with woodchip, than with grass (especially because the grass used at training fields if a far cry from soccer turf, which is what event turf tries to emulate)

Maybe you should persuade Niall to buy some XL Turf and put it on top of the woodchip?

- Well actually - a cheap industrial type carpet on top of woodchip WOULD work - and not be too expensive, which the XL turf is

Nick

Niall told us all he was getting a grass covered playing surface for teams to train on 3 years ago, I ain't holding my breath
The irony of that is a guy called Mikey opens a perfect one up just round the corner from Niall's site but that all got fukked up
Before it went down, I am pretty sure it was making money because every time I went there he had at least 50 people there.
Certainly with Niall's existing infrastructure, he can make it pay a lot easier.
Of course any astro turf surface like they use in the Millennium is gonna be ideal but hey, I ain't seen it yet.
I ain't seen a lot of things 'yet' Nick.
I ain't harping back to Nexus but in our first year we did ALL our winter training on grass covered Sup Air during every single month of the winter.
It takes commitment but it also takes the facility to be there.
Indoor training and sites like Niall's (as it is now) is a stop gap measure for serious teams because we need to do most of the training on a playing surface where you can slide without dislocating a knee or slamming into a 300 year old oak.
Come on Niall, do it and make yerself famous

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Iron Lions - Ed
Site owners can try to be accomadating but if teams don't want to train. An indoor site with a sup air field reachable by London public transport has offered to leave Sundays as team training day.

How many teams jump at the chance as their local sites become unusable over winter?

1 individual in 4 days....

http://67.19.5.132/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54257

I think this is a good example of the lip service some teams pay to training but their lack of follow through. If we can't help ourselves why should sites?

That kinda backs up what I been saying about our paintball playing demographic....that's sad, really sad.
Maybe if the reconstitution of teams I am advocating would change this response in that teams as a whole might then wanna train instead of what they are doing now which is sweeet FA.