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Just Curious

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Would it be cheaper to take a ferry?
Nope, more expensive time wise as we would need to leave on the Wednesday Nite on the Ferry as opposed to flying Thursday.

My point is not the expense involved. Its as Robbo and a few others have stated, as many UK Teams should be involved in their 'Home' Event as possible.
The cost opposed to the experience of attending a 'big' event is nothing.;)
 

Raffles

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AndyDane said:
...There could be hundreds/thousands of people who would love to play, but don't know it exists....
Change that 'could' to 'will' and that sentence is very true. I actually 'rescued' a few punters from the old walk-on/punter days at Congleton. I even went as far as to take them to watch a tourney (round 5 of the PA if memory serves) at my expense.

This is partly what I am trying to do with the youth tournament - make it less of a tournament and make it more of a fun-day (yes - I am still working on it).

If you break it down in to it's raw ingredients - local tourney's are nothing more than glorified training sessions. After all, this is what most teams use them as (I have been told this by a former PA div 1 team - their exact words 'this is just a training session for Campaign' - and how right they were!).

Unless people stop comparing CC and the Mills to local tourneys - then, they too, will only be seen as training sessions - and who wants to pay twice the price for the same thing?

So, why aren't TBA entering CC? Simple, they are not ready for it - and there is no way I could let them pay a small fortune (to them) just to have the priviledge (sp) of saying 'we got wasted in under 20 seconds!'.

Anyway, that's the end of my self-serving post ;).
 

Mark Toye-Nexus

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jotajotaZ said:
Wow.. unless I am talking in cost per person and you are talking in cost per team I don't get it :) I'm spending around 350 pounds to go to CC including flight, accomodation, paint (estimate, of course) and entry fee, and I am going from Spain (it should be a little more expensive than going from the UK...) :confused:
Jorge

With paint and entry coming in at around £200 I am intrigued to find out how you are getting flight,accom, food, other transport etc for £150?

Whats your secret bud?
 

Mark Toye-Nexus

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Sid_Clan said:
Clan are doing Campaign, although I have to be totally honest, reason I didn't do last year was £750 for 8 games is $hit....


Sid
Flipping hell Sid

Did you charter a plane down here and then have a cheuffer service to and from the Hilton?

£750?

Ah.......I forgot your beer bill
 

Robbo

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KOHI said:
so were does that leave us and what steps do we take?
we are stuck in a ever decreasing whirl pool if the sites don't change and we cant do anything to change that.

KOHI....at last......you now appreciate the problem :)

As for some of the other comments made, I have mentioned before a few months ago, if we can't rely on our site owners to promote tourney ball then obviously something else has to be done.
Now I don't wanna tar everybody with the same brush here because there are some guys out there like Sid the Jock, Russell Steele from Shockwave, Dave Stewart at Dartford 7's and Warren down in Ashford who have a profound belief in tourney ball and are doing something about it but for us as a nation, these guys ain't nowhere near enough.

But let me tell you something here because it's hugely important and MUST be understood if we are to get a real handle on this problem.
Russell Steele and Sid have conventional Paintball sites in that they run woodland games and any promo they do with regard to tourney based (or Sup Air) is done on the back of their existing business.

Dave is going it alone in this sense because he has no woodland to fall back on and so his business lives or dies on tourney ballers attendance.
Now for Dave at Dartford 7's it is obviously more critical the UK market is sufficiently buoyant in terms of tourney players (or aspiring tourney players).
His positioning next to the M25 is also crucial because it immediately taps into all the guys around the M25 and beyond and yet we still see a huge swathe of people not bothering to get their asses down there.

The important point here is this, since nobody is marketing tourney ball then we are pretty much providing a service to those already converted.
And if what I say is true that our tourney base is made up of mainly displaced recballers who haven't got a place to play, then it's hardly surprising sites like Dave's aren't gonna be rammed full every week, as they should be.
And I am saying these type sites should be busy because for the amount of teams we got around here on the M25, and with Dave's site being the only one dedicated to tourney ballers and it's position, then he should be overflowing every weekend.

The reason why it ain't is because, yes we have ballers around the M25 and yes there are more than enough to ram his site every weekend but no, they haven't got the correct mindset to wanna improve as ballers because these guys ain't really tourney ballers, they are rec players.
The serious ballers do go to Russel's site, do go to Warren's site and Dave's but we just haven't got the right demographic within our tourney base to make these sites busy all of the time.

FFS guys, SC village is rammed full every weekend in LA and this is because the youth over there has been switched on to tourney play by marketing, TV etc and even Germany has shown the rest of Europe how to go about marketing Paintball to the public.

The problem disappears when we got some people who realise the true worth of tourney ball and then go market that instead of what we see in malls all over the UK, some dodgy selling practices marketing Rambo ball.

If we had a similar marketing strategy whereby our shopping malls had the Dynasty type action DVDs playing, and the whole focus of that strategy pointed toward Tourney ball, this would then create sufficient interest in the young demographic leading to an influx of players that inevitably leads onto an increased tourney team base.
What's more important here is to note that the new demographic created here would reflect a higher ratio of competitive ballers as against what it is now with displaced recballers outnumbering the competitive demographic.

Once this marketing strategy has been adopted, it wouldn't be long before the tourney, Sup Air sites would be bulging thus creating the marketing incentive for sites to expand their facilities into tourney.
At the moment we are asking site owners to invest in a market that they see isn't there, and for the most part it isn't.
Real businessmen create that market and as we know most of our site owners ain't real businessmen and unless it's handed out on a plate to them they ain't even gonna think of doing a damned thing.
All we need is somebody like that Delta Force mob to believe in tourney ball and go market the hell out of it.
 

Sid_Clan

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Mark Toye-Nexus said:
Flipping hell Sid

Did you charter a plane down here and then have a cheuffer service to and from the Hilton?

£750?

Ah.......I forgot your beer bill
Entry fee is £750 mate...for 8 games....;)

Beer is ALOT more than that and we will be taking FULL advantage of the Corona Bus....

Sid
 

KitsuneAndy

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Robbo said:
KOHI....at last......you now appreciate the problem :)

As for some of the other comments made, I have mentioned before a few months ago, if we can't rely on our site owners to promote tourney ball then obviously something else has to be done.
Then why don't we do something then?

Most people who attend recball days regularly probably dont even know that walk ons/scenario/big games/tourney ball exist. Why don't we do something to change that? I know that we are primarily interested in Sup Air here, but if more people start playing other types of paintball as well (because we know not everyone is going to want to play tourneys) then that still increases the rate at which word of mouth can spread.

I suggested making a booklet, a fact sheet if you like. With a page dedicated to each type of the main variations of paintball that exist here. But this would cost money, my idea was to get companies to "sponsor" it, in exchange they would get a banner on the back page and all their contact details on. So that people could read it and think "ooh, that looks really cool" and go from there. We could set up a website to go along with it either with its own forum or with links to other, bigger forums. I'd happily donate my time and some webhosting to it but just dont have the cash to pay for it all being printed.

I bet there are plenty of people on here that live all over the place that would happily wander around handing them out, or distribute them at their local site.
 

Nick Brockdorff

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You guys can blame the site owners all you like - but in reality, it is not them that is at the root of the problem - it is the paintball industry.

The industry is not catering for the type of business that would attract anyone except punters.

If Joe Blow - with his newly founded paintball park - wants to make a viable business out of attracting tournament players, what can industry do for him today?

To my knowledge, NONE of them offer solutions that would make it attractive for him to do it.

That is the whole reason so few site owners does it - and the reason those that do it, so it solely for the love of the game, and usually at great cost to themselves and their business.

The same happens in Scandinavia - trust me - in Denmark we have some 60 paintball sites - and only 6 - yes 10 % - offers walk on paintball!!!

This sport will not see a dramatic increase - until our industry wises up, and understands that to develop the European maket, they need to treat it vastly different than the US market, where "gun play" is something everyone does.... Europe takes more work, and until the industry stars doing that work, we are going nowhere fast.

Nick
 

mikeanywhere

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Nick Brockdorff said:
You guys can blame the site owners all you like - but in reality, it is not them that is at the root of the problem - it is the paintball industry

I think Nick has hit it on the head.

So, the question is then, are we going to do something about it?? Are we going to try and put in place a scheme, a programme, call it whatever you want to try and remedy this situation?? (rah rah session looming, pom poms and all :) )

If the paintball industry currently isn't going out its way to provide this, then maybe we should approach one or two of the non blinkered members of industry and start something that others will follow.