Triggerbounce scandal at CC finals amB!

[MrCosworth -=HypnotizeSweden=-]

whatever...... u can write anything you want here, but we were screwed in my point of wiev. end of story.

The marker was tested in wrong way. U were looking for the sweetspot until you found it and the marker shot 2-3 shots in when trigger held at exact position, then the refs yelled TB. one ref shot a string and one looked, -yeah it shoots more than you pull they said, its TB..

IS THAT THE WAY TO DO THE TEST!?

Nuff said.. as I said we were screwed.

But please.. No more.. I wont answer anymore cause I have a perfect point of wiev on this case.

Bye.

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by MrCosworth -=HypnotizeSweden=-
U were looking for the sweetspot until you found it and the marker shot 2-3 shots in when trigger held at exact position,

So it did shoot more than 1 (one) ball per trigger cycle !!!!! and if i can find it in under 2 minites how quickly can a player put it to good use during a 10 minite game ?

 

[MrCosworth -=HypnotizeSweden=-]

Originally posted by Ralph
So it did shoot more than 1 (one) ball per trigger cycle !!!!! and if i can find it in under 2 minites how quickly can a player put it to good use during a 10 minite game ?

Ok i cant let this go without answering..

2min?! so you say that a player will sit 2min on field and search for a sweetspot that will make any gun discharge 2 or 3 balls due to recoil during game? This answers all my questions.. u r stupid.

2min per possible 3 ball discharge x 5 is 10min = 15balls.. very effective playing dude.

ANY gun can be made bounce the way you describe your testing, ANY gun. (maybe not pump action)

BTW the rules say that you have 10seconds to make it bounce.. not 2min.

Why dont you confess that you made a bad call and stop throwing ****.

I will stop it now cause we make enemies instead of friends that we should.

drop this.

Best Regards

Mikko Team Hypnotize

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by MrCosworth -=HypnotizeSweden=-

1) 2min?! so you say that a player will sit 2min on field and search for a sweetspot that will make any gun discharge 2 or 3 balls due to recoil during game?
2) BTW the rules say that you have 10seconds to make it bounce.. not 2min.
3) Why dont you confess that you made a bad call and stop throwing ****.
4) I will stop it now cause we make enemies instead of friends that we should.drop this.

1) If the player knows exactly what to, he can make it do it whenever he likes. Which is what the judges noticed which is why we we were called to make a judgement.
2) As i said i had not fired a gun at a tournament for some time so all in all it took about that time to get a feel for the gun which i also explained was set up for a right handed person.
3) Why dont you just take the pain and accept the decision.if only because it aint gonna change.
4) What's with the 'We' ?

 

[cgrieves]

ANY gun can be made bounce the way you describe your testing, ANY gun. (maybe not pump action)

Not true. Using the official testing procedure, or any on-the-spot procedure a marshall can think up, there is no way to make my X-Mag trigger bounce in e-mode (which is the the mode it is locked into in a tournament situation). For each ball fired, you have to make an obvious and distinct movement with your trigger finger. If a marker can be made to bounce without separate and distinct trigger finger movements, then it is illegal and needs to be adjusted or modified.

In my opinion if a marshall can make an unfamiliar marker bounce in ten minute test, let alone twenty seconds at the chrono, then the player who trains and plays with that marker day in, day out must be considered capable of finding and abusing that feature at short notice in a game situation.

I personally enjoy being secure in the knowledge that my marker cannot be pulled for trigger bounce. How close to breaking the rules a player wants to go is purely the choice of that player, but you have to accept the consequences.

 

[MrCosworth -=HypnotizeSweden=-]

Ralph ???

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Excuse me.... but I just read the latter part of this thread......

....Are you saying you were the judge testing the marker, and that you did NOT use the method set forth in the rule book, to determine triggerbounce ??????

Nick

The silence tells everything...

 

[RoryM]

OK..

Did or did not the trigger on the Hypnotise players gun bounce?

YES.

Did the Field Judges get it to bounce without much effort?

YES.

Did Ralph, who admittedly has not picked up a marker in competition for a while get it to bounce within the time frame allowed?

YES.

Did the marshalls do this under a playing type scenario.
(Which in my opininon means holding it with both Fecking hands, possibly butted against the shoulder?)

YES.

Did hypnotise get caught fair and square?

YES

No amount of bitching will change the fact your player was spotted and then caught! Will you please start blaming your back player or his equipment! Or do you deny that it was bouncing!!?

 

[IanC]

Re: Ralph ???

Originally posted by MrCosworth -=HypnotizeSweden=-
The silence tells everything...

ooooopsss

$hit --------> Fan???

 

[RoryM]

Nick really..

Nick, I was talking about the 2 second pull/ release proceedure and I did not make this clear.



But the initial test made on the field was done by a rather cakely challenged British judge who resides en Espanol (who you know very well!) and his knowledge of the rules and proceedures was way up to scratch, Just ask Dynasty!

So I doubt that the initial test was done outside the rules, if Ralph had some trouble, thats because he is possibly not that experienced with all types of marker (not his fault) but you have to appreciate that if he found it relatively quickly, in the hands of the owner, this gun could be, and was used, illegaly - hence it got pulled. If the player had realised his folly earlier, he could have called himself out with a 'malfunction' and not cuased the teams loss possibly? (see, I do know the rules!!! )

I can appreciate you taking the side of the player if an injustice has been done, you have always been (admirably) very vocal on any point you feel is against the player.

But in this case, he was caught fair and square, its all very well trying to argue your way out of a penalty on a rule technicality, but on a major safety violation like this, we should all agree that it is wrong. None of us would want to be on the end of a severe drilling by a marker that is in effect, going full auto.

laters

 

[manike]

Agreed

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Judges that do not know the rules, have no business enforcing them - in general.

Agreed....

But how many of them know the rules? (and for that fact how many players?)

How abouts the EPA, make a quick anonymous multiple choice questionnaire for judges at the next Millennium event, and then we see how many know the rules...

I'm betting the results would not be as good as we would like.