Triggerbounce scandal at CC finals amB!
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-Is there a standard procedure for testing TB in the Millennium?(I believe at least the NXL has such a standard procedure). If there is one, then:
-Which time did the marshals not follow protocol? During the prelims or during Hypnotize's finals game?
Since that marker was tested for TB at least 5-6 times during the prelims and semis, the big question then is:Originally posted by Mark Toye-Nexus
Sounds to me like you were caught fair and square - sjt knows bounce when he sees it (although we do go back to 'walking' trigger and 'fanning' question Sam - what you describe is walking not fanning)
-Is there a standard procedure for testing TB in the Millennium?(I believe at least the NXL has such a standard procedure). If there is one, then:
-Which time did the marshals not follow protocol? During the prelims or during Hypnotize's finals game?
IF--you are referring to the thread you started related to CC triggerbounce incident it was merged into this thread. IF--you attempted to post some additional remarks related to that or any other CC triggerbounce incident it didn't post cus nobody deleted any recent post of yours on the subject.
I was one of the marshalls in question.
Hello,
I was one of the marshalls that pulled the marker in question. Between two of us we observed the player using said marker during the game for over two minutes and only confiscated it at the end of the game prior to game over. We handed it to the field ultimate who was able to recreate trigger bounce. The marker was then given to another another field ultimate who was also able to recreate trigger bounce as per the Millenium rules version 1.2 (as quoted below). The marker was then given to two tournament ultimates who also recreated trigger bounce. I fail to see how this is a scandal as opposed to a following of the rules.
11.3 The definition of a trigger is the movable lever that comes in contact with the finger. A
trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of
force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle. Markers may fire at any rate
of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that no more than one burst of
gas is delivered down the barrel as each pull of the trigger occurs.
Judges testing method:
First, the judge will fully depress and hold the trigger. While keeping the trigger fully depressed, the judge will attempt
to move the trigger side to side. The judge will then release the trigger. No more than one paintball may have been
fired. Second, the judge will as quickly as possible fully depress and then release the trigger. No more than one paintball
may have been fired. Third, the judge will apply sideway pressure to the trigger and then attempt to fully depress the
trigger. No more than one paintball may have been fired. Fourth, the judge will slowly, over a period not to exceed
two seconds, fully depress the trigger in one continuous motion and then, over a period not to exceed two seconds,
slowly release the trigger in one continuous motion. No more than one paintball may have been fired in any of the four
instances. Fifth, the judge will fire the marker at a rate of fire of approximately 6 shots per second, to test for Turbo
mode. The marker may not appear to fire more than one shot per trigger pull. If any of the five tests are failed, a player
may request that the complete set of five tests is repeated an additional two times. The marker will be deemed legal if it
passes every subsequent test and be otherwise deemed illegal. These tests will be performed with the marker held in a
manner and position consistent with playing on the field. The testing must be confirmed by the ultimate judge of the
tournament.
Peace out,
Dan
Campaign
Hello,
I was one of the marshalls that pulled the marker in question. Between two of us we observed the player using said marker during the game for over two minutes and only confiscated it at the end of the game prior to game over. We handed it to the field ultimate who was able to recreate trigger bounce. The marker was then given to another another field ultimate who was also able to recreate trigger bounce as per the Millenium rules version 1.2 (as quoted below). The marker was then given to two tournament ultimates who also recreated trigger bounce. I fail to see how this is a scandal as opposed to a following of the rules.
11.3 The definition of a trigger is the movable lever that comes in contact with the finger. A
trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of
force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle. Markers may fire at any rate
of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that no more than one burst of
gas is delivered down the barrel as each pull of the trigger occurs.
Judges testing method:
First, the judge will fully depress and hold the trigger. While keeping the trigger fully depressed, the judge will attempt
to move the trigger side to side. The judge will then release the trigger. No more than one paintball may have been
fired. Second, the judge will as quickly as possible fully depress and then release the trigger. No more than one paintball
may have been fired. Third, the judge will apply sideway pressure to the trigger and then attempt to fully depress the
trigger. No more than one paintball may have been fired. Fourth, the judge will slowly, over a period not to exceed
two seconds, fully depress the trigger in one continuous motion and then, over a period not to exceed two seconds,
slowly release the trigger in one continuous motion. No more than one paintball may have been fired in any of the four
instances. Fifth, the judge will fire the marker at a rate of fire of approximately 6 shots per second, to test for Turbo
mode. The marker may not appear to fire more than one shot per trigger pull. If any of the five tests are failed, a player
may request that the complete set of five tests is repeated an additional two times. The marker will be deemed legal if it
passes every subsequent test and be otherwise deemed illegal. These tests will be performed with the marker held in a
manner and position consistent with playing on the field. The testing must be confirmed by the ultimate judge of the
tournament.
Peace out,
Dan
Campaign
Well i would like to say that regardless if it were trigger bounce or not i think that it sucks for hypnotize that this one incident that is very contraversal (sp) ruined there chances at first because we (Tunnel Rats) played hypnotise and the ran through us and i thought that they would either go 1st or 2nd and because of this incident there chances were hurt. Yet from what i saw the Refs on field 2 were extremly good. But Regardless of what happened I would like to say great tourney Hypnotize.
trigger bounce mmmmmm???
hello guys i would also like to say the rules really do vary and it is very frustrating.
long story and here we go our last game of the day was against quake who are a very good up and coming nov team we r am b when we walked on to field 3 <xball> we had our guns tested as we had pretty much throughout the tourney which is good yes?
no when they were tested on this field it was a i-frame impy and a new shocker the marshall's said were bouncing after running frantically to get the 2 markers sorted by phil at smart parts we came back to find that the marshall was saying that the markers were still bouncing i found that the marshall was not really testing it properly as his finger was blatently shacking in front of the trigger and not sitting still or even leaning on the trigger frame on both markers.
luckily phil<thanks again phil>came over to this field to sort the problem as it was the exact same thing that ten people have been talking about in this thread the dodgy finger/s syndrome please learn how to test properly b4 throwing accusations about illegal markers around and rushing us into a game we ended up loosing.
taking nothing from u quake guys guys but we were a bit flustered when we started(great game guys u rocked hope to c u in am b next season)
anyway thanks for listening guys gripe over
hello guys i would also like to say the rules really do vary and it is very frustrating.
long story and here we go our last game of the day was against quake who are a very good up and coming nov team we r am b when we walked on to field 3 <xball> we had our guns tested as we had pretty much throughout the tourney which is good yes?
no when they were tested on this field it was a i-frame impy and a new shocker the marshall's said were bouncing after running frantically to get the 2 markers sorted by phil at smart parts we came back to find that the marshall was saying that the markers were still bouncing i found that the marshall was not really testing it properly as his finger was blatently shacking in front of the trigger and not sitting still or even leaning on the trigger frame on both markers.
luckily phil<thanks again phil>came over to this field to sort the problem as it was the exact same thing that ten people have been talking about in this thread the dodgy finger/s syndrome please learn how to test properly b4 throwing accusations about illegal markers around and rushing us into a game we ended up loosing.
taking nothing from u quake guys guys but we were a bit flustered when we started(great game guys u rocked hope to c u in am b next season)
anyway thanks for listening guys gripe over
Firstly big up to quake who beat us soundly on our final game on the Xball field after said Trigger bounce fiasco. I have a couple of questions that someone might be able to answer.
1. If a player gets pulled for suspected trigger bounce is there a time limit in which he can sort the problem or get a spare marker, if so how long is that?
2. How did Phil Webb convince marshall on our field that the two markers in question were not bouncing when the marshall concerned was adamant that they were and would not let us on field to play?
1. If a player gets pulled for suspected trigger bounce is there a time limit in which he can sort the problem or get a spare marker, if so how long is that?
2. How did Phil Webb convince marshall on our field that the two markers in question were not bouncing when the marshall concerned was adamant that they were and would not let us on field to play?
Let me try and put this one to bed
God knows how many games the refs actually judged on fields 1 & 2 but by the time they'd got 2 the finals but i think they are in a good position to suspect when a gun is bouncing and have every right to pull any gun. When the ultimates were called,(Steve & myself), the head field judge showed us the gun in action. The gun was then handed to me & here's what i said (not what you heard). "It's been 18 months since i fired a gun in ANGER"(ie at a tournament).
I'm left handed and the gun was set up for right so i was checking to make sure that i could fire the gun correctly. Which is why i started slowly,then speeded up and then on to double tapping (just as players do during a game). Then i slowed down again back to a repeated single pull. During this test a lot of paintballs were being fired. A lot more than when i was pulling the trigger. I handed the gun to Steve who did a similar test and we both 'Judged' that it was firing more shots than we were pulling the trigger. Therefore the judges were right to ask for verification of their judgement as to the guns trigger-bounce properties.
The problem is, that every player leaves very little room for error with FPS over the chrony or the board / chip in their markers.
What you need and i'm sure the tech heads are working on it at the moment is a gizmo akin to a chrony that counts the balls that pass over it as the trigger is pulled. Until then everyone will have to rely upon a human to 'judge' whether a marker is bouncing or not and this time we 'judged' that it was.
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