Trigger Bounce Redux..... Rules anyone?

[Bird]

Ok folks, I was a choney marshall on field 3 (X-ball) and lots of players mentioned how thorough we were with checking ALL markers, passes, layers for players that went on to the field.
Overkill? No, because on our field alone we pulled about 20 markers with a bounce (one almost full auto...) a player without a pass, a player on someone else's pass and a fair few loose regs etc.
When a football player gets his/her boots checked before going onto a football field, do they winge "oh come on ref, you know it's ok/you checked them last time/I need to get on the field now"? No, it's a procedure and it's for safety.
If paintball is to be recognised as sport, this is the sort of thing that needs to be done to keep everyone safe. Get used to it.

On a different note, I thoroughly enjoyed meeting and chatting to you all! (Respeck to all in da house...sorry, couldn't resist... )

 

[A.B]

'snake man in da house....'

laughed hard at that

anyways back on topic..
After an incident on field two, i was pulled for bounce- fair one the gun did bounce, it did not however fire more than one shot per trigger pull as the gun cannot do this. what happened was the trigger was held at a point in it's travel, where the gun fired the recoil then moved the gun sufficiantly to re-set the trigger and re-pull it. therefore if the gun was held vice like then this would not have occured. i'll just add that although my marker did bounce it fired two balls before stopping, and this was after a while of attempting to get it to bounce. now i'm not arguing about the marshalling decision cos they have taken more than enough stick for their hard work, and i'm thankfull to moose for his judgement in the situation.

My main problem is if bouncing is an inherent problem with almost all electro markers, why do we not concentrate on ensuring that extremely light triggers are stopped(safety peeps), along with chrono speeds. now i realise the safety aspect will be shouted at me with tb but surely it's easier to walk the trigger than get bounce especially while moving at speed in preperation to mug someone- are we gonna stop trigger walking too??

anyway my 2p (although it's more like 20p)

 

[JTHM]

Originally posted by Walker (Nitro)

During our first game of the sunday club against a team that shall remain nameless, I got pulled off the field AFTER the game had finished, this was due to a call by the opposition after some pretty serious double tapping with added Halo action (E-Blades are f-ing quick.....right) to check my gun. So anyway, after the game had finished the marshal comes upto me and says "can i check your gun player, you were firing rather quick in that game"

I'm still in awe that nobody really responded to this issue.
Notice the word "AFTER", why on earth would a judge ask to check a gun after the game is over??

Tough Sh*t mate, Game OVER.

It PASSED chrono game inspection, was put aside until the players are told to take the field, how any reff would have the balls to even ask for such a request is beyond me. Where was he when the game was going on fer Christsakes?

Oh, and Walker, sorry bud but you should of told the Judge to go piss in his hat.

 

[manike]

JTHM, I responded to that and pointed out how it was a good thing.

I would rather a judge that wasn't certain didn't take my gun off me and check it during the game, but wait until it is finished to determine if his suspicions were true or not.

I think that was the best thing a judge could do if he suspected a problem during the game but wasn't sure.

As long as you haven't left the field you are still accountable to the rules.

 

[JTHM]

Manike I respect your opinion, but then what's really the use of having a before game inspection? I mean if the person responsible for checking for bounce before allows it on the field before the game, then why ask to check it after a game?

Besides, if the Game is officially Over, to bad. I've watched after game tapes of wiping, playing on with obvious and other such behavior and there is nothing you can do about it. Once the Judge calls the game, it's done, just walk away.

What do we do next ? Have a certain time span regulation put in place to file a complaint in an effort to get calls changed? I don't think so.

In all seriousness, the way things are going now, we should all go back to pumps without auto-trigs and kill this issue for once and for all.

 

[manike]

Not all guns are checked before going onto the field.

Sometimes a judge is going to see suspicious behaviour on the field and need to check it out.

Do you think he should do it during the game or wait until the end and then check it?

 

[JTHM]

Originally posted by manike
Not all guns are checked before going onto the field.

Sometimes a judge is going to see suspicious behaviour on the field and need to check it out.

Do you think he should do it during the game or wait until the end and then check it?

Whoa, hold on there mate. Every NPPL S7 event I've been to, the guns are NOT allowed on the field without checking for speed and Bounce.

But if it passes inspection before then it's done.

 

[manike]

So if a gun is very obviously bouncing like crazy on the field they won't do anything about it?

They did at the PSP/NPPL World Cup last year, and they do at the Millennium events in Europe...

At PSP events this year they will check you during/after the game if suspicious. I got checked (again ) at Philly, as I have at pretty much every single event I have played in since last World Cup... I have no problem with being checked as long as it doesn't disrupt the game unfairly.

If a gun on field looks hot a ref can check it... thankfully now they can do that without disrupting the game. Before when the couldn't do it without disrupting the game they used to wait until the end and then check the guns...

 

[JTHM]

Originally posted by manike
So if a gun is very obviously bouncing like crazy on the field they won't do anything about it?

They did at the PSP/NPPL World Cup last year, and they do at the Millennium events in Europe...

Hell I was lucky to get a chrono check at last years WC.

Never been to Europe, although I've been told it's a great country.

I digress, if this is the way you feel, then why don't we put in a penalty clause? I'm being serious, you brought up Hot gun points, lets hand out minus points for bounce?( of course considering the judges allowed the gun on the field in the first place).

Remember penalty points for hot guns were based on how hot they were. So in the same vane, lets say -25 if a judge can bounce on one try, and down grade the points from there on.

I'd say if what Walker said, he'd be awarded a -2 maybe -3 because the judge had to try for 4-5 minutes to get it to bounce....sound fair?

Works for me

 

[Collier]

If it's too late after the game then whats to stop me adjusting my gun during the game to make it bounce?
With a lot of boards its easy to do and certainly not enough people know that the board should be locked in competition mode, certainly my marker was never checked!!!

Paul