trigger bounce Mille = NPPL?

[manike]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
but so far I'm having trouble identifying any sanctioning or organizing body that has produced a decent rule or even more than a handful of consistently enforced rules.

I'm in 100% agreement with you there also. A lot of our rules are not as good as they could be, nor as well enforced as they ought to be.

I'm just not one to think that's a good reason to let it slide. There are rules in the NPPL which we could run rings around if we wanted (don't let me get started on the "one barrel on the field rule" LMFAO)

The whole reason why I have brought this issue to people's attention before on these forums is so that we can try and come up with a decent rule and solution.

As you point out the difficulty is in testing the guns and how people can tweak and set them up. I'm not nieve enough to think we can eliminate it completely.

What I am actually argueing for here, and what I want to see, is that people who are accidently guilty of breaking this rule aren't banned from the event COMPLETELY and their team get -50 points, since the rule isn't well enough defined or enforceable.

Some people can honestly not think their gun bounces, nor can they get it to themselves, or have any intentions of using it in such a way on the field, and yet get an over zealous judge who can bounce any gun and they will be banned from an event. That's not right is it?

That's what I want to try and get sorted out.

I reckon I could get a decent percentage of electro guns (say 10%) to fall foul of the Millennium rules. That doesn't mean that 10% of players were intending to cheat with FA guns...

 

[alt01]

Exactly Manike. My post was prompted by watching an entire team of timmy users at a tourney literally running down the field blasting a constant stream that had to be at least 15 bps by holding their triggers in a certain way (they made it pretty blatant, even switching finger positions when they wanted to go FA).

This is quickly becoming the new trend because people who have never even shot an electro before can instantly rip on the trigger just as quickly as any pro, and do it while moving or in any position.

As for enforcement, I would assume that if pro players are reffing an event they can at least recognize intended massive intended bounce. Other than a human physically testing the trigger and knowing any gun tricks that are out there I can't really think of a way to test for this as every gun and every trigger is different.

 

[swysocki]

Originally posted by manike
Do we want it such that people with no trigger skill or practice in how to shoot fast and how to keep aim when shooting fast can suddenly level the playing field with a bouncing gun against those that have developed such skills?

Simon,
Do you really think that trigger bounce levels the playing field?

I believe the no FA rule has a purpose. I don't want someone to fill their hopper just to come mug me on FA with ~13bps. I believe that is also safety concern. On that note, I don't see this happening with a marker that can "bounce", nor do I see it as a huge advantage.

If I were "King for a Day" I would make a "minimum travel" rule (although I am sure you will poke some huge holes in that ) For one it is easily enforced (feel free to poke away) and it makes players rely on those oh-so-important "skills" of achieving a high ROF

 

[alt01]

Originally posted by swysocki
Simon,
Do you really think that trigger bounce levels the playing field?

I believe the no FA rule has a purpose. I don't want someone to fill their hopper just to come mug me on FA with ~13bps. I believe that is also safety concern. On that note, I don't see this happening with a marker that can "bounce", nor do I see it as a huge advantage.

Look at my post above, it certainly does happen with "bounce" as people are setting it purposely to the point where they simply hold their trigger and the gun is FA. It's a pretty huge advantage if you can, for example, put multiple people down while on the move because your gun is basically a paint hose.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by swysocki
Do you really think that trigger bounce levels the playing field?

Not too much at the moment, because people aren't overly abusing it like they could if there was no rule against it...

That said at several events I've seen guns with such bounce, that yes I thought it gave them an advantage.

Ever used a Tippman RT or reflex Cocker? Those are taking bounce to the extreme and would be allowed if we didn't legislate against it. (currently they aren't in tourny play)

Nick, I'll show you at Portugal, or I might have some video's up soon (I've been asked to make them to go onto a website). It's nothing that unusual, I just seem to have got the knack down to be able to really rip. But then I practiced it... lots

Currently I'm wondering if they will try to ban my technique, but I don't see how they can? As long as the trigger is legal, can you ban how someone pulls it? I've been racking my brains and can't come up with an enforceable way to ban how I shoot I can't do it all the time, say when running etc, as it does take a special way of holding the gun, but it's effective for break outs and putting down rapid paint when needed.

 

[paintballer ron]

so, it isnt possible to explain it at all? i can hit 14 bps without bouncing the trigger. i would love to be able to go faster as well.

 

[manike]

It is possible to explain it, but maybe since I developed the idea and practiced it a lot to really get it to work, maybe I just want to keep my competitive edge for a little while

I've seen others do it as well, so I'm not the only one. I came up with the concept for a semi auto trigger that I could fire at any ROF I wanted about 3 years ago (and told Bill Mills about it just before World Cup 2000, so he can verify my story). Only recently have hopper systems (Halo B) really made it worth using though as before no loader could keep up.

I've posted pictures, on here and elsewhere, of specific trigger designs I made to enable it to be even easier, although with my Ironmen intimidator I just use the normal trigger that came on it, because I've practiced it enough now that I can do it much more easily.

 

[Matski]

Si-you talking about when you kinda strum your finger up and down the trigger?

 

[retartedpaintballer]

manike there you go about your special way of pulling the trigger again
what, do you just fan it sorta or like slide your fingers up and down the trigger? cuz i really just can't think of any different ways of pulling the trigger that i don't know about already

 

[manike]

Originally posted by matski
Si-you talking about when you kinda strum your finger up and down the trigger?

See, nothing that spectacular guys... till you see the paint I can shoot.

Matski, I'm even faster now since that day I first brought the Timmy out.