trigger bounce Mille = NPPL?

[manike]

Originally posted by Walker (PsychoPimps)
what about a matrix, i can hit it on the backplate and it will fire?

Does that count as a trigger?

If so you have two triggers... and that aint allowed

 

[repairman]

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I think that the important detail to remember is to try and get
guns firing at the same basic speed as all others. The gun manufactures themselves need to standardize a limit for tournament paintball that should be used worldwide. I know however that this is probably too much to ask. As for other sports like Nascar they have limits and standards which can be used in the same way for paintball. At HB this year they attempted this somewhat with the Scrutineer. Dave pulled some different guns from different teams because of the bounce situation. These teams were given the chance at the being of the game to get new guns to use- From what I heard. I like this
a lot more then the way that the Millennium does things. What happened to the Russian legion last year in Portugal was wrong.
Stop something before it goes on the field not after.
As for telling the manufacture that they can not make guns to shoot faster then the tournament speed I am not. The 14 year-olds that go into stores and want to buy the fastest thing available by all means let them.

Rodders

 

[Red_Merkin]

assisted triggers, and full auto, are different infingements IMHO than short trigger pulls and trigger bounce, and should be treated differently.

 

[shamu]

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Originally posted by repairman
...Stop something before it goes on the field not after.

Have to agree with that. From a judging perspective, it's a royal pain to test each and every gun for trigger bounce when you're trying to keep games moving along. And differences in the way each judge checks makes for uneven results (i.e., what may be acceptable on one field won't be on another)

 

[Beaker]

If you hold the gun by the front reg with the barrel pointing straight up then lightly pressing the trigger you can bounce just about any electro.

How the hell you'd do that in a game to any effect I have no idea.

 

[Recoil]

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Originally posted by repairman
The gun manufactures themselves need to standardize a limit for tournament paintball that should be used worldwide.

I think they did for a while, it was about 13bps if I remember correctly, I also think it was an electronic limit set on the board rather than a physical limit. But then someone opened up the board on a marker so that would it would do more so everyone else started to..... My Blade will bounce, I will endeavour to dial it out cause thats the rules at the end of the day but this is a bit of a minefield to be honest....

As for Manike, well if I was marshalling Id disqualify him for being him

 

[Baca Loco]

Let's get real, kids

It's a "problem" that ain't going away. If a tourney was fairly scrupulous in checking markers and found a small percent that were unacceptable everything would be fine, but--
The truth is the vast majority of electro's can be found to be in violation one way or another and who is gonna start refusing to allow half the players or more from playing?
So far even the S7 didn't really have the means to check everyone even though it's their policy to crack down. It was more like random spot checks if there was a bit of time and the refs remembered to do it.
And it will be worse for paintball to make a big deal about rules that don't end up being enforced than to not have the rules at all.

 

[KillerOnion]

Exactly, Baca. They should just scratch the rule, quit whining about it, and leave it alone because this is accomplishing nothing but making them look stupid. No rule, no problem.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by KillerOnion
Exactly, Baca. They should just scratch the rule, quit whining about it, and leave it alone because this is accomplishing nothing but making them look stupid. No rule, no problem.

What a stupid thing to say

If they scrapped the rule about people not being allowed to wipe, then we wouldn't have to worry about cheats either would we?

Without this type of rule people will use guns which are pretty much full auto. Do you think that's a good thing?

 

[KillerOnion]

Pretty much? Aren't they anyway? Paint coming at you at 16 bps X 290 fps is the same whether shot out of an Emag, Racegun, Angel, Matrix, etc., single trigger or double trigger, whatever settings. Can you actually tell when someone is shooting at you the difference between whether they're walking the trigger, using a sweet spot, a flat or convex trigger plate, or otherwise? Of course not. This is basically an issue with all electro guns...hell, even Mag RT's were the same way: you can shoot them fast to the point there is little line to be drawn between that and cyclic fire. The whole thing reeks of newbies whining "He's cheating ref! He's shooting full auto!" every time they play against someone shooting anything but a rental gun.

The arguement is crap and the issue should be dropped.