To ramp or not to ramp...?
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If it was that bad then why would some of the top pro teams in the world even bother playing a ramping format???? Until the end of last season XSV, Dynasty and alike all used ramping for PSP and then you get Russian Legion, Trauma etc all doing NXL with full auto. But I guess they are all suckers then, yes?????
John, I hate to point out the obvious, but Pro teams don't like playing at a disadvantage. In a ramping format I would fully expect every last player to be using a ramping gun.
If my point was a train, you would be standing on the platform, red faced and panting, while mine cruised away from you with small children waving out of the back window. The children would be mouthing "you suck", which would annoy you, as the next point is not for another 45 minutes.
If my point was a train, you would be standing on the platform, red faced and panting, while mine cruised away from you with small children waving out of the back window. The children would be mouthing "you suck", which would annoy you, as the next point is not for another 45 minutes.
Look it is not as if pro players have slow fingers otherwise chances are they would not have been able to serve as pro in particular back players who regularly have to sweat spot off the break, faster fingers obviously being an advantage. But if this was such a big advantage why would they want to play a format where ramping is encouraged, and there is no advantage to choosing to using semi at a ramping event.
So my point remains, why would people with very fast fingers (such as Dave Baines from XSV) play Xball? Do you not think that if they hated ramping and/or full auto they would not complain and if enough of them did they would be bound to change the rules to semi only.
So my point remains, why would people with very fast fingers (such as Dave Baines from XSV) play Xball? Do you not think that if they hated ramping and/or full auto they would not complain and if enough of them did they would be bound to change the rules to semi only.
OK, if you want to call that a point, then I will address it.
1. Because he plays for a team that plays Xball, a ramping format.
2. Because by playing (for free) he can earn money
3. Because pro players want to play everything, especially if there is prize money.
4. Because he no doubt likes ramping himself, as it makes it 'easier'
Ask yourself something. Why does Dave Baines have a reputation for being one of the fastest out there? Is it because he worked so hard to perfect the art of pulling the trigger, or is it because he has been cheating his little tush off for years? Before you answer that one, you should know that he was suspended from the NPPL in San Diego last year for an illegal gun. You should also know that Dave Baines has not used a stock board in his gun for as long as I have known him, which is a while.
You are on a hiding to nothing.
1. Because he plays for a team that plays Xball, a ramping format.
2. Because by playing (for free) he can earn money
3. Because pro players want to play everything, especially if there is prize money.
4. Because he no doubt likes ramping himself, as it makes it 'easier'
Ask yourself something. Why does Dave Baines have a reputation for being one of the fastest out there? Is it because he worked so hard to perfect the art of pulling the trigger, or is it because he has been cheating his little tush off for years? Before you answer that one, you should know that he was suspended from the NPPL in San Diego last year for an illegal gun. You should also know that Dave Baines has not used a stock board in his gun for as long as I have known him, which is a while.
You are on a hiding to nothing.
Ok fair enough that is all valid and I did only use Dave as an example, but I am sure there are plenty of pro players out there with extremely fast fingers. What I am merely trying to point out is there must be some advantages to a Xball format with ramping or full auto otherwise it would not exist. Otherwise people who prefer Xball with semi would create a event with it and to my knowledge such events do not exist anywhere on the planet.
John, the advantage to allowing ramping in an event, and the Xball format's own reason for permitting it, is because everyone was ramping anyway, by allowing ramping, they rid themselves of cheats in one afternoon, by simply saying "OK, ramp away - its not cheating anymore". Of course there are side effects of this decision, but luckily none of them have reared their obscenely ugly heads yet.
To clarify, the Xball organisers did not allow ramping because they thought it made the game better. They did it because they could at least police the issue if they capped the ramping at a limit per second.
All this may seem like ancient history, but it's good to know the reasons behind things, as otherwise people will just assume that Ramping is perfectly normal. The fact that people are allowing ramping at events in the UK, without any credible control methods, is another story altogether, and one that I feel will have a rather abrupt ending.
To clarify, the Xball organisers did not allow ramping because they thought it made the game better. They did it because they could at least police the issue if they capped the ramping at a limit per second.
All this may seem like ancient history, but it's good to know the reasons behind things, as otherwise people will just assume that Ramping is perfectly normal. The fact that people are allowing ramping at events in the UK, without any credible control methods, is another story altogether, and one that I feel will have a rather abrupt ending.
like drinking on a school night you know its wrong but is so much fun having said that still do the off walk on with my mech cocker now and again
as a nub who cant actually fire fast, i honestly think that trigger skill is important. someone who can fire faster SHOULD fire faster, not reach a threshold and then everyones firing the same.
the reason being: it gives some power to the backs. most people know that the front players seem to get most of the glory, just giving the players an extra skill to define themselves from other players seems something they should have, especially since backs are often the ones who shine at mowing lanes, if everyone could do that, it would turn the backs job into somehting of a less skilful nature, since everyone could pull 15.4 BPS.
however, anything that pulls the general rules of each tournament into a more united front of paintball is good for me, since, the sooner everyones using one firing mode, the better.
trigger skill IS a part of the game, annihilating it might not be the ebst thing to do, but then again, you gotta try every possibility if you want to improve the game.
ridding the game of cheaters wil never occur, especially since even the highest level of football still has cheaters in it. all they can do is lessen the effect of it. at least ramping at fixed levels stops rich kids with the fastest markers get too much of an advantage, its making gear less important.
the reason being: it gives some power to the backs. most people know that the front players seem to get most of the glory, just giving the players an extra skill to define themselves from other players seems something they should have, especially since backs are often the ones who shine at mowing lanes, if everyone could do that, it would turn the backs job into somehting of a less skilful nature, since everyone could pull 15.4 BPS.
however, anything that pulls the general rules of each tournament into a more united front of paintball is good for me, since, the sooner everyones using one firing mode, the better.
trigger skill IS a part of the game, annihilating it might not be the ebst thing to do, but then again, you gotta try every possibility if you want to improve the game.
ridding the game of cheaters wil never occur, especially since even the highest level of football still has cheaters in it. all they can do is lessen the effect of it. at least ramping at fixed levels stops rich kids with the fastest markers get too much of an advantage, its making gear less important.
Come on! That holds no more water than my suggestion that we ban hoppers because they remove the skill of manually feeding. You are right to imply that removing the skill of running would detract from the game, but you can't generalise that to say that excluding any skill from the skill set would have a negative effect. Unless you are suggesting that the removal of the skill of pumping the gun between each shot has ruined the game?Missy Q said:
Yes most absolutes are at least highly unlikely. But vastly reducing cheating and its effectiveness is another matter.Orifice said: