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headrock6

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Originally posted by Buddha 3
I doubt anyone has a problem with that. It's just the way that it's done that gets on some people's t*ts...;)

It seems that instead of finding the root of the problem and trying to fix that, all the emphasis is put on blowing the crap out of things. Ask yourself why they hate the US, and try to fix that. The US government is battling the symptoms, not the cause of the disease.

I totally agree that certain foreign policy has angered some over the last 50 years and stuff needs to change..But I dont ask a rapist why he'd rather assault a woman instead of taking her out to a movie and a dinner!!These terrorists are attempting to kill us right now...Im not gonna stop and ask why are you so angry with us..I want them dead,and buried 6ft under...
 

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That makes sense, but does it not also make sense to do some research into why this guy wanted to blow you up, after you've tw@tted him around some?

And come on, you can do better than that rapist analogy. Socio-demographic issues have far more complex causes and effects than raging hormones....;)
 

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Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Um, Rock, explain this for me...

///I know that theres probably millions of innocents involved but if people are dying,we'll do what we have to do to make it stop....///

Does that mean 'if people are dying we'll risk killing more innocent people', cos that's what it reads like...

Cmon TJ,im not condoning killing anyone..Could we easily invade Syria,Iran,and Saudi Arabia..Sure..I think we've shown over the last few years,we try the diplomacy route every time and use force as a last resort...But if another terrorist attack happens on US soil and 15/20 of the terrorists turn out to be Saudis again,do you think we should leave Saudi Arabia alone after the Saudis bitterly complain how thier doing all they can to stop preaching the hate???I know its not the peoples fault but at face value,we cant just sit back and watch..Thats all im trying to say:)
 

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Originally posted by Buddha 3
That makes sense, but does it not also make sense to do some research into why this guy wanted to blow you up, after you've tw@tted him around some?

And come on, you can do better than that rapist analogy. Socio-demographic issues have far more complex causes and effects than raging hormones....;)

Well considering Osama was swinging from our nuts for cash during the Russian invasion,id say that troops stationed in Saudi Arabia at thier request doesnt qualify as being a very good reason for waging war against us...And dont even say Israel or Iraq because thats never been on Osama's plate till recently...


All the same..Im not a psyche major and it sounded good at the time but im still not gonna give Al Qaeda big hugs while their plotting to take down planes with missiles:)
 

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Originally posted by headrock6
And dont even say Israel or Iraq because thats never been on Osama's plate till recently...
Oh, I'm not saying anything. I'm not pretending that I know what the correct steps would be. All I'm saying is that just blowing stuff up, ain't gonna cut it. Look at yourself. The Twin Towers got knocked down, and you got mighty pissed. Which makes sense. But it works the other way around too, you knock some of their stuff down, they get mad at you.
What I mean is that I'm sure there are plenty of very smart people hovering around the white house (obviously not George W. :D), and I think that if you lock them in a room long enough, they might find ways to better the relations between the US and the Arabic world, which are mutually satisfying. That's not my job, nor yours.

And I'm realistic enough to realise that becoming friends with Osama and his pack of fun lovers is not a real option, but what is an option is to make sure that relations are such that Osama has no more fertile breeding grounds for his view of the world. And that can't be achieved by bombing alone.
 

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What is all this namby pamby crap? International relations my ass!
It's simple. They came to our country and killed thousands. We never went to their country and did the same until they did!
We just sit on our front porch with a shotgun, you come into our yard to cause ****, we shoot you. Even if you run away. We'll just follow you into your own yard and shoot you there. Makes perfect sense to me. And if some euro-drug infested brain thinks he can stop us, he got another thing coming! The reason we police the world is because we are so much better. We got better technology, better trained military, better everything!
 

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And people wonder why people from New York are such wonderful souls??:rolleyes:


Jay,50 years of failed foriegn policy definately needs to be addressed..And just remember,as bright as GW is,hes got all the codes and his finger on the button:eek: :p


Did someone say shrooms???
 

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The point I think 6 is trying to make is simple. In a school yard brawl where one kid walks up and punches another kid shouting, "Take that!" The kid who has been hit is more concerned immediately with not being hit again than with trying to figure out just what, "take that" meant.
And the notion that if only you were willing to explore the reasons and motivations of someone else you could resolve a given problem is utter rubbish. For every "reason" you can give there will be millions of people living their lives under similar circumstance but not acting the same way. There are millions of Isrealis and Palestinians, despite all the past and present horror and bloodshed who are willing to try and live together peacefully yet the killing continues. So give me a reason other than money, power, lust or revenge for why the cycle goes on and on. How 'bout poverty and injustice? But if that were all there was to it everyone would be at everyone else's throat, wouldn't they? But they aren't. Or try Northern Ireland or East Timor or Cyprus or most of Africa where religious differences, cultural differences and ethnic divisions are all part of the mix that has had people killing each other generation after generation. Are any of these extremists prepared to sit down and discuss ways to co-exist? Not so far. Toss in dozens of governments, both well meaning and not, maneuvering and manipulating circumstances as and when they are able and the problem isn't identifying reasons, it's listing all the thousands of "reasons" that might exist. And that presumes any portion of all this is predicated on rational consideration.
In an increasingly global world with weapons capable of snuffing out lives in the millions at a moment every decision becomes hugely magnified and unfortunately we are left with people still having to make those decisions. Right now the United States is trying to change the paradigm in the Islamic world believing that free people will choose peace. The real question is can you get there from here.
 

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Headrock 6 bows but wonders how a mad cow could have so much intelligence and knowledge??Must be something in the grass:D

-Thanks B..thats was my point yet words dont come that eloquently sometimes
 
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