This Millennium 15BPS rule...

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by shauny17
any1 no y the NPPL didnt enforce this rule? instead they let it go

Because they are leaders, not followers. Because they have Robbie the Robot--think blind, like Justice-- and because they is stubbornly determined to allow all kind'a mad blazin' iron on the field while insisting it's under control--look, we gave Entourage the boot, see?

 

[Crock_O'Sheet]

(Coughing up my cornflakes)

How can you put that robot up as the defense against cheat boards!! Its like putting a lollipop in the Thames and expecting it to stop the river flowing!!
Why didn't NPPL go with some form of ROF cap??? Well, the cynical among us could assume its because WDP make and sell guns mainly advertised based on their fabulous ROF! But that would only be the cynical ones of course.

As for MS, has anyone actually seen anything but a press realese? Anyone? An actual rule about guns?

-stand back and let tumbleweed pass-

Thought not

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Because they are leaders, not followers. Because they have Robbie the Robot--think blind, like Justice-- and because they is stubbornly determined to allow all kind'a mad blazin' iron on the field while insisting it's under control--look, we gave Entourage the boot, see?

Honestly, Baka-san, why do you think they seem to be sticking to the robot? Is it a pride thing that they can't do something that NXL or PSP thought of first? And since I didn't attend any NPPL's last year, how widespread was the gun cheating? Or did the threat of DQ scare most players away from it?

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
Honestly, Baka-san, why do you think they seem to be sticking to the robot? Is it a pride thing that they can't do something that NXL or PSP thought of first? And since I didn't attend any NPPL's last year, how widespread was the gun cheating? Or did the threat of DQ scare most players away from it?

At the risk of being labeled, or should that be libeled, a hater (which, of course, I am, tho of the equal opportunity sort) I could offer a variety of speculations, but that's all they'd be.
I do think (on a vaguely serious note) that if this whole 15 bps cap gains traction and passes muster legally so that everyone of consequence but the NPPL is doing it they will have little recourse but to follow suit. I also think it has real consequences for the manufacturers of high end iron. Anybody can make a gun that shoots 15 bps nowadays and do it cheaply. New ways will have to be found to justify high end pricing and new ways found to effectively market those premium prices and none of that can have been lost on all the manufacturers.

As to last year's gun rules infractions in the NPPL I am completely comfortable saying it was widespread throughout divisions and readily apparent in on field practice. How much was enhanced or sophisticated cheats and how much was simply stock offerings configured to pass basic scrutiny but still provide assistance I don't know and couldn't guess. There is also of course the real but always denied cheater factory boards, too.
Obviously the opinions expressed are anecdotal but not completely so. I know exactly what 15 bps sounds like--as Boogie noted in another thread--and it isn't difficult to judge approx. bps if you have a fair amount of experience. I also know what most of the for sale to anybody top end guns are capable of these days in terms of configuring their basic software packages. I am told a particular gun was given a pass, unofficially, by the NPPL last year--and it wasn't the Angel and I have seen and shot guns with both aftermarket and factory custom boards.

 

[shauny17]

but im sure if there rule is made, manufacturers will stop putting these high ROF's onto t here markers?

but i suppose that is like speeding, they say keep below the speed limit, but hu does? not many people

 

[Buddha 3]

As long as the same markers can be used uncapped, unrestricted in their fire modes in the rec scene, there will be a market that's plenty big to not worry about a thing for the manufacturers.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
As long as the same markers can be used uncapped, unrestricted in their fire modes in the rec scene, there will be a market that's plenty big to not worry about a thing for the manufacturers.

I think there are reasons to disagree with that assesment, so I will.
PB is a divided market and the part of the market that purchases these sorts of markers is top-driven. Peeps want stuff that high profile ballers use.
In the local rec scene there is crossover of tourney oriented or driven products with rec players but most would fall into the tourney wannabe players category as opposed to the purely scenario/woods type rec player. (The tourney wannabe player isn't necessarily a future tourney player but takes their cues from the tourney side of PB and prefer to play Airball to woods ball.)
Second, the current levels of firepower are creating, if not as a matter of policy, at least in practice, a segregated playing environment different from the typical rec vs. tourney situation. Lots of commercial fields go to greater lengths to separate rec players from walk-ons from tourney or tourney wannabe players than they used to and it isn't about inclination or level of experience, but equipment. (Back in the day the only divider was experience, and even then, it wasn't uniformly enforced all the time everywhere you played.)
The weekend before last I played a bit at my local field and, except for the shot to shot consistency, there was no substantial difference between my capped F/A gun and the rest of the guns in use by 50-60 other players the majority of whom were teenagers and mostly low level tourney players at best. There were otherwise about a 100 rec or walk-on players present as well. This is commonplace and poses problems for field owners who are even less capable of regulating the guns used by a percentage of their customers than the big tournies are.
If and when the pressure from the top doesn't glamorize speed at any cost and local field refs have a reasonably inexpensive tool to control bps I fully expect it to become the standard almost everywhere.
That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

 

[cjansen]

One more "subjective" rule.

And we thought the refs used a lot of paint doing the bounce test (anywhere from 10 balls to your entire loader.) Just wait until they suspect your gun of being over 15bps, and watch 'em piss away your paint trying to prove it. I can see it now....

"Yeah, that sounds like 16 bps to me," says ref #1. "We don't have any proper equipment to test it, but they say that we'll have it by the next event."

"Wait, let me try it," says ref #2, as he asks you to refill your loader. "Hey ref #1, listen while I shoot this, and tell me if you think it's over 15bps."

"This is fcuking bullsh!t," says paintballer X.

"Sorry, dude. I know what 15 bps sounds like, and this gun is definitely over that, I think. I've gotta give the max to the other team."

 

[Baca Loco]

One more "subjective" rule.

Originally posted by cjansen
And we thought the refs used a lot of paint doing the bounce test (anywhere from 10 balls to your entire loader.) Just wait until they suspect your gun of being over 15bps, and watch 'em piss away your paint trying to prove it. I can see it now....

"Yeah, that sounds like 16 bps to me," says ref #1. "We don't have any proper equipment to test it, but they say that we'll have it by the next event."

"Wait, let me try it," says ref #2, as he asks you to refill your loader. "Hey ref #1, listen while I shoot this, and tell me if you think it's over 15bps."

"This is fcuking bullsh!t," says paintballer X.

"Sorry, dude. I know what 15 bps sounds like, and this gun is definitely over that, I think. I've gotta give the max to the other team."

You haven't been reading the threads about this have you? Nothing subjective at all about the refs means of testing ROF.

 

[cjansen]

Re: One more "subjective" rule.

Originally posted by Baca Loco
You haven't been reading the threads about this have you? Nothing subjective at all about the refs means of testing ROF.

Yeah, if they have the proper equipment to do it. How many times did we hear last year that we were getting a robot? How many times did we hear, "Yeah, that gun sounds like it's bouncing/shooting too fast."

If we were talking NPPL or PSP/NXL, I wouldn't doubt it. But this is the Millennium we're talking about.