What calls were the refs making that they should not have been making?
Which fields?
5, 10, Division X Ball or NXL?
The NXL & ESPN
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Which fields?
5, 10, Division X Ball or NXL?
Re: Re: Re: You just didn't see the right matches then
Clearly there were teams and players that likely suffered unfair or at least inconsistent calls in this regard and I know from experience how frustrating this can be. In no way did I mean to minimize that. By big picture what I meant was the difficult position this puts everyone in paintball in. As players we expect promotors to deliver a fair, competitive environment in which to compete (as well they should) but the present gun situation makes that virtually impossible. The promotor is damned if they do and damned if they don't. The PSP, the MS and the NPPL have all struggled with this issue all season with varying degrees of success and post-event spin. It's not an isolated problem.
Meanwhile manufacturers and players and teams are going full steam ahead knowing full well just what they are doing and they don't care.
In sum this is a problem that cannot be addressed by only one aspect of the Paintball community with any hope of resolving it--that's what I'm saying.
Dale, I think we're simply talking across each other here. My original comment was directed at Simon and nothing more than a friendly jibe at the "rep" of Timmys in some quarters. Nothing else.
Clearly there were teams and players that likely suffered unfair or at least inconsistent calls in this regard and I know from experience how frustrating this can be. In no way did I mean to minimize that. By big picture what I meant was the difficult position this puts everyone in paintball in. As players we expect promotors to deliver a fair, competitive environment in which to compete (as well they should) but the present gun situation makes that virtually impossible. The promotor is damned if they do and damned if they don't. The PSP, the MS and the NPPL have all struggled with this issue all season with varying degrees of success and post-event spin. It's not an isolated problem.
Meanwhile manufacturers and players and teams are going full steam ahead knowing full well just what they are doing and they don't care.
In sum this is a problem that cannot be addressed by only one aspect of the Paintball community with any hope of resolving it--that's what I'm saying.
My bad, didn't notice you aiming at me...
You know, supposedly, the intimidator is currently the only 'high end' gun that hasn't failed the robot...
Si - thanks for including me in the convo, I'm touched reallyOriginally posted by manike
As for legal guns, Beaker.... there is only one team in Pro X-ball I can put my hand on my heart and say I know are using 'legal' guns. The rest...
but think you meant old mad cow in the corner there
So were a lot of the teams that got the calls. Refs were saying that markers were "illegal", even tho they had no way to prove that they were. So, if someone happened to be shooting fast, they disqualified them. As one ref put it, as an explanation, "No one can shoot that fast".
My bad, I saw a 'B' and thought the post made sense... you can see how I got confused.Originally posted by Beaker
Si - thanks for including me in the convo, I'm touched really
I'd also just been reading some posts of yours elswhere.
I usually am not good at catching excessive bouncing and illegal turbo modes (adding shots) but I managed to catch several. I don't know what or to whom I need to prove anything but the ones I caught adding shots were clearly doing so. I could feel them doing things my fingers were not. As for bounce, we only busted guns that were clearly bursting. A marker could have bounced every shot but we wouldn't bust it. Only if it burst 4 or 5 shots or more when pulling the trigger while holding it tightly.
I'm glad the people we worked for gave us clear guidelines and backed up our calls. We had nothing to gain or lose by banning illegal guns since we knew almost none of the teams or players. We simply had a job to do.
As for knowing the difference between fast guns and fast triggers, there were some we tested that were simply that; fast. But there were those that clearly were "taking off" and aroused so much suspicion that we had to test them.
Of course it goes without saying that there were most likely more illegal guns that we weren't able to catch. In most any endeavor there are those who have the means to cheat or break the law in more sophisticated ways.
It does appear that our work had some effect because the suspensions went down dramatically the 2nd and 3rd days of both the 5-man and X Ball.
Next year it will be a whole new game with new rules and new test instruments...if some of us have our way.
It could have been me or my colleagues who said "nobody can shoot that fast!" And we were right.
STeve
Simon, coudn't let this one go,
the reason the Timmy is the only gun not to be DQ'ed is not because it has always passed the robot. I know of 2 occasions when Timmys have been caught bouncing and a DQ was not assessed. I know the team, I know the ref that caught them, and I know the head ref that let them off due to a personal relationship with the captain of the team. Due to changes in the NPPL I do not see this happening again, but it happened, although you may not be aware....
Sorry, but had to set the record straight on that one...
the reason the Timmy is the only gun not to be DQ'ed is not because it has always passed the robot. I know of 2 occasions when Timmys have been caught bouncing and a DQ was not assessed. I know the team, I know the ref that caught them, and I know the head ref that let them off due to a personal relationship with the captain of the team. Due to changes in the NPPL I do not see this happening again, but it happened, although you may not be aware....
Sorry, but had to set the record straight on that one...