The Friday Poll: Markers, pistols, gats, nines, shootin' irons...
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It's the static cling that made the hairs on the back of your neck stand out. Stupid sod just couldn't stop playing with the lightning.
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Because it's silly
, but just my personal view......... same with marker, your assuming most people think of them as guns but make a conscious effort to be PC and say marker...... I'm the other way around, gun just doesn't seem right, it's not a gun, seems silly to say it is........ just my view and the way I speak. I'm not bothered about bandanas, camo etc..... not a problem, just fashion. As for swearing? I couldn't care less about the TV people, but there are kids playing and in my view it's not necessairy or acceptable..... just my own POV..... if you have to swear to express yourself then that's a shame, if it's against the rules then stick by them.... but then again it doesn't stop wiping and playing on either. And if removing a few death references can open up paintball to a wider market then isn't that a good thing?...... having to say EPZ instead of deadbox might be a bit silly, but It won't affect my enjoyment of the game one bit. Pros..... paintball opened up to a wider market, cons...... we change a couple of names. It's a no-brainer really. Hardly going to get anyone saying "I'm quitting paintball, they won't let me say kill anymore" on a related note, how many times have you found it funny when a neew player says "I'm out of bullets"? 
I feel the same way, but the names are flipped. When I started, everyone refered to them as guns, the people I bought stuff from, the field staff, the other players, everyone. Calling them "markers" seems self-conscious to me, and I remember being told to call them "markers" to help the public image of paintball. I did a lot for a while, and I still do sometimes, but to me, it will always be a rather transparent euphemism. I didn't start saying bullets until a few weeks ago, cause it is funny. I think the novelty will wear off in time, though.
Interesting name for your team, Jose.
Interesting name for your team, Jose.
I'm not assuming anything. I just want to find out, and I'm not saying one is worse than the other. You call it a marker, because that's what it is, I call it a gun, because that's also what it is. And to most people outside paintball, it's also a gun, and saves me a lot of hassle explaining what the hell I'm talking about.Originally posted by JoseDominguez
Because it's silly
I agree that if changing a few words would increase public acceptance than we should do that. However, I don't think that if we make the game more PC, more people will flock to it. I think that's a load of crap. Just my point of view.
Gyro, good point.
No, not really............... the name is from our sponsors paintball site...... named about ten years ago, 'cos he loves the film. So not really a point at all. Did you notice the logo? It's a referemce from a film, no more. Just like every team called Spartans, Trojan etc..... who aren't really from Sparta or Troy. And if you pay attention to my posts, you'll see that my point is pretty simple....... does it matter what we call them? at all? ..... no, not in the slightest......... your argument has been that saying marker is silly 'cos it's PC, I'm not saying gun is wrong, just that I say marker by default, not by PC choice as do many people. I wasn't saying that using the word gun was wrong....... doesn't bother me, but I don't call my marker a gun, it's my marker.
So if changing a few words isn't making it PC...... what is exactly? Is it more than changing the deadbox to EPZ and not saying kill or gun...... thats just 3 words changed...... (personally I think it's pointless, but it won't alter the game for me) so what else? camo is gone anyway and markers are nice and brightly coloured for the most part.......so what is it that your worried about getting changed? I think I'm missing something.
Oh and I use hot glue guns at work, also a nail gun in the house, don't lose any sleep over it...... but I call my staple gun a "stapler" not being PC, just happen to say it that way. I just use whatever language comes naturally, no conscious choice... I've had to stop swearing for the PA..... big deal, I'm bright enough to stop, the dead box is the EPZ..... we still call it the dead box, no one is making us stop saying it.
I can't stand political correctness for the sake of it, but most of it would go unnoticed if people didn't make a song and dance about it. It's no big deal, there are far worse things going on in the world. So I suppose my point is "get over it" it's like the endless arguments on staining paint..... I hear croquet is nice and clean.
It's like "gat" now up here, it's only used by 12 year olds to refer to their cat blinding air guns...... so it's a regional thing, it doesn't mean gun, it means "toy gun" elsewhere it's being used to refer to the real thing..... to me (and anyone from near me) calling a marker a gat sounds silly..... but it's just a language difference, hell, ever fallen on your Fanny? I bet lots of US posters have, I sure as hell haven't and in fact couldn't..... just words.
So if changing a few words isn't making it PC...... what is exactly? Is it more than changing the deadbox to EPZ and not saying kill or gun...... thats just 3 words changed...... (personally I think it's pointless, but it won't alter the game for me) so what else? camo is gone anyway and markers are nice and brightly coloured for the most part.......so what is it that your worried about getting changed? I think I'm missing something.
Oh and I use hot glue guns at work, also a nail gun in the house, don't lose any sleep over it...... but I call my staple gun a "stapler" not being PC, just happen to say it that way. I just use whatever language comes naturally, no conscious choice... I've had to stop swearing for the PA..... big deal, I'm bright enough to stop, the dead box is the EPZ..... we still call it the dead box, no one is making us stop saying it.
I can't stand political correctness for the sake of it, but most of it would go unnoticed if people didn't make a song and dance about it. It's no big deal, there are far worse things going on in the world. So I suppose my point is "get over it" it's like the endless arguments on staining paint..... I hear croquet is nice and clean.
It's like "gat" now up here, it's only used by 12 year olds to refer to their cat blinding air guns...... so it's a regional thing, it doesn't mean gun, it means "toy gun" elsewhere it's being used to refer to the real thing..... to me (and anyone from near me) calling a marker a gat sounds silly..... but it's just a language difference, hell, ever fallen on your Fanny? I bet lots of US posters have, I sure as hell haven't and in fact couldn't..... just words.
Okay, first of... What Gyro said.
But as to the above, I hope that was not aimed at me. I have at no point said that saying marker is silly, for whatever reason. I don't think it's silly, I just don't do it, because to me a marker is indeed something that I used in the past to stake claims.
And just changing three words doesn't mean PB is going way too PC, but when rules forbid all swearing, dead players can't watch the game for fear of harsh words from the deadbox, then yeah, we are going over the top.
Personally, I don't trust people that don't cuss in the heat of battle (ooh, bad word
), to me it displays a lack of heart. Anybdy that has spent some time around real top athletes in pretty much any sport will find that they ALL cuss vehemently, and are extremely bad losers. I hate people that shrug their shoulders when they lost a game. I want temper tandrums, stomping of feet, and faces going purple.
I never said gun was worng, just said the whole PC argument is overblown..... not watching from the deadbox is to stop players passing on info....... not to stop swearing. And if you can't express yourself without swearing then....... sorry, I teach special needs kids, they can be violent (I say kids, I'm talking 16-17 year olds, some of whom are a lot bigger than me) so I have to put up with being scratched, punched, bitten etc..... in an environment where swearing isn't acceptable (sackable offence), so not swearing during paintball didn't really seem like much of a hardship.
Personally I don't find swearing particularly offensive....... for example why can I say vagina when S****horpe is edited out? or sex but not F@ck? silly really, why is bugger OK to type when it's something worse than just plain f@ck.............. but it's all just words..... I don't need to use them to express myself, easy enough to stop, and if it's a rule then it's as much a part of the game as not wiping. SO again, my point, it's just words, change a few, doesn't make much difference.
I'm an extremely bad loser, but I save swearing for when it's either A: funny or B: I'm really angry with someone. It's used too much, they've ceased to have meaning, some people just use them as punctuation.
And gyro, I don't have aposition on the words used, I don't care if it's called a gun or a marker, I was just explaining why I say marker.I just do, I wans't saying gun was wrong, just not right for me I don't say it..it's like cars...... I know nothing..... it's not a Ford, or a Citroen, it's a red one or a green one... just the language I use, not trying to be PC.
Personally I don't find swearing particularly offensive....... for example why can I say vagina when S****horpe is edited out? or sex but not F@ck? silly really, why is bugger OK to type when it's something worse than just plain f@ck.............. but it's all just words..... I don't need to use them to express myself, easy enough to stop, and if it's a rule then it's as much a part of the game as not wiping. SO again, my point, it's just words, change a few, doesn't make much difference.
I'm an extremely bad loser, but I save swearing for when it's either A: funny or B: I'm really angry with someone. It's used too much, they've ceased to have meaning, some people just use them as punctuation.
And gyro, I don't have aposition on the words used, I don't care if it's called a gun or a marker, I was just explaining why I say marker.I just do, I wans't saying gun was wrong, just not right for me
I don't say it..it's like cars...... I know nothing..... it's not a Ford, or a Citroen, it's a red one or a green one... just the language I use, not trying to be PC.
Aaaaaaargh!
Where did I say that you said that gun was wrong? (Still with me after that strange sentence?)
How come everytime you post on this thread you seem to defend yourself, while nobody is attacking you?
Keep one thing in mind, this is not about you, but about paintball as a whole. You may not have difficulty with not swearing, but some people do. And it's not about words, it's about the state of mind behind it.
I save swearing for when I'm angry too, when I just lost a game would be an good time for me to swear...mostly at myself, but swearing none the less.
I have zero problems with your attitude towards these points. You hardly swear, cool. You say marker, cool. You do it because that feels right for you, not out of some halfassed attempt to sanitize our image. That's cool.
What does go against every grain in my body is that "well, if it's a rule, we'll just have to accept it" attitude. yes, rules are rules, but stupid rules are meant to be discussed, and where required altered or deleted. A no swearing whatsoever rule, in my book is just plain stupid. It forbids people from playing with their heart and soul, and any league that enforces (rather than has) such a rule, in my opinion is only working on an ego basis (look at us being all good, clean and wholesome) rather than working on providing an environment in which players can compete wholeheartedly. The last thing that should be on a player's mind is the question "Am I behaving nicely?"
Where did I say that you said that gun was wrong? (Still with me after that strange sentence?)
How come everytime you post on this thread you seem to defend yourself, while nobody is attacking you?
Keep one thing in mind, this is not about you, but about paintball as a whole. You may not have difficulty with not swearing, but some people do. And it's not about words, it's about the state of mind behind it.
I save swearing for when I'm angry too, when I just lost a game would be an good time for me to swear...mostly at myself, but swearing none the less.
I have zero problems with your attitude towards these points. You hardly swear, cool. You say marker, cool. You do it because that feels right for you, not out of some halfassed attempt to sanitize our image. That's cool.
What does go against every grain in my body is that "well, if it's a rule, we'll just have to accept it" attitude. yes, rules are rules, but stupid rules are meant to be discussed, and where required altered or deleted. A no swearing whatsoever rule, in my book is just plain stupid. It forbids people from playing with their heart and soul, and any league that enforces (rather than has) such a rule, in my opinion is only working on an ego basis (look at us being all good, clean and wholesome) rather than working on providing an environment in which players can compete wholeheartedly. The last thing that should be on a player's mind is the question "Am I behaving nicely?"