Spyders aint that bad, I mean BC uses them... don't they?

[manike]

hey Dr. Strangelove you seem to have missed what this discussion is about and tried to turn it into something else.

Originally posted by jahlad
only difference between a timmy and a spider is the spiders hammer is replaced by the ram....only reason you need to change the grip is to house the noid......

And I said.

Originally posted by manike
So not true when it comes to the new 2k4 Series of timmy's. You might as well say the Angel is the same as a spyder but has a ram instead of a hammer.

Not even that true when it comes to some of the older versions, but then at least some of the parts were compatible.

So far you seem to be trying to argue against me but admiting that the 'ONLY' difference is far more. I don't think there is anything more I can say to you. Especially if you don't have experience (by your own admission) with the markers and parts I am trying to point out.

BTW. I am, and always have been, A HUGE fan of the Angel. Nothing but love and respect for John and Nick's Baby.

p.s. OT (but what would you consider heavily modded? I consider it to be something the average paintballer wouldn't be able to do at home. I don't know many paintballers who have their own mills and tap sets.)

 

[dr.strangelove]

I'm not trying to change the discussion, it was a dispute over whether or not the timmy, as Manike put it, had only "screws and ball detents" compatible with the Spyder. And on that, you're right, you can't say anything to me that will change the fact that it's possible to use Intimidator guts in a Spyder (with a, what you would call heavily, what I would call slightly, modified body) and have an equivelant marker. I don't have anything against Intimidators. I don't care for them myself, but alot of people do, and that's good for them. There's alot of diversity in tournament markers, alot of it having to do with sponsorship and whatnot, and I don't think the Angel has ever had an enormous share. If anything was ever "knocked off the top" it was the Mags and 'Cockers of the not-really-so-old days. I don't care. I'm not sponsored, I'm not pro, WDP isn't paying me to proudly sport their marker, so it doesn't matter. Like I said earlier, if you own one, you obviously like it, so who cares what anybody else thinks? I never even brought up the "angel v. timmy" thing, it's totally irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. I just don't like being talked down to and told that something's incorrect or impossible when it isn't, that's all.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
There's alot of diversity in tournament markers, alot of it having to do with sponsorship and whatnot, and I don't think the Angel has ever had an enormous share.

May I ask how long you have been playing?

I would have said there was a time back in 1998-2000 maybe where the Angel owned the top end of paintball and certainly owned the electronic tournament gun market.

I was never talking down to you (at least I never meant to, many of comments were with tongue in cheek and a smile on my face). Never said anything was impossible either. I'm the kind of person that believes anything is possible and hate being told that it isn't.

I wouldn't be here doing what I am, if I'd taken any notice when people told me what I was doing was 'impossible'.

 

[dr.strangelove]

Jeez, I was editing/amending my last post, and there's already a new one.

I've been playing since about '98. I remember the Angel being a very talked about marker, but it never seemed entirely dominant of the tourney scene (certainly of the electronic marker market, being as the selection was pretty slim in those days) there were always those teams who stuck with their kit, or used something new just out of defiance. It kind of became the benchmark for comparison because of it's unheard of (for the time) ROF, which of course made everybody want to design something faster and better. So by the time it really got popular, it seemed like lots of new stuff was hitting the market, and teams were being offered (and taking) alot more choices. In any case, I didn't own an Angel until 2001, and hadn't even seen one in my neck of the woods until the previous year, so I came in on it way to late to be bitter about WDP losing out to other markers.

If I incorrectly read your posts as arrogant, I apologize (people tell me my posts sound condescending and arrogant when I don't intend them to, so I can certainly understand that).

 

[noop]

In comparison to other guns of the day (excluding the sh!tbox Shocker), the firepower advantage offered by the Angel LCD was too good to pass up. Sponsorships were the only reason you did not see it dominate the entire pro scene.

Now, if you had dropped an E-blade unto the world at a time shortly before this, when the Cocker was king, you sir, would be a bijillionaire.