What do you mean "funky Japanese metric threading"? You mean the thread standards that everybody in the industrialised world uses, except for the USA? Even us brits use metric threads for 90% of our screws these days!
Spyders aint that bad, I mean BC uses them... don't they?
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And RAM, bolt, grip frames, front blocks... Any way you dice it, the Timmy is a Spyder with a solenoid literally tacked onto it and a pneumatic ram stuffed inside. How does it differ from a Spyder so radically?Originally posted by manike
Ball detents and a few screws
Not even sure about the screws though.
I was waiting for a sucker to come along.
Note I said the newer 2k4 series of timmy's... Older ones had more compatibility.
So say again whats the same? detents, some dimensions.
Please tell me how an angel differs from a spyder? Same ways the timmy does except for a few small details.
Timmy and Angel and Bm2k etc all work the same way. I never said the differences were radical, just that they are not the same and very few parts are compatible.
Note I said the newer 2k4 series of timmy's... Older ones had more compatibility.
err how is this compatible? It doesn't fit without machining for the barbs. So therefore NO.
2K4 bolt is shorter than the spyder and will not fit and not work, therefore NO.
Spacing may be correct, but the frame is not compatible from one to another. Obviously. So NO.
Front block will fit in the body but it won't work for a spyder and spyder one won't work in the timmy. (because of the barb) so the parts aren't compatible although you could put them in place.
So say again whats the same? detents, some dimensions.
Please tell me how an angel differs from a spyder? Same ways the timmy does except for a few small details.
Timmy and Angel and Bm2k etc all work the same way.
I never said the differences were radical, just that they are not the same and very few parts are compatible.
Of course, they're your entire market base.Originally posted by manike
I was waiting for a sucker to come along.
Use your response in response to your statement.
Don't know about the 2k4, but I know you can use older style timmy bolts in spyders (as alot of people do this when they do the "The One" upgrade, which essentially makes any Spyder into a timmy clone). Also, a question since I'm not familiar, could you cut the back down on a Spyder bolt and still use it on a timmy? If you can, I'd consider it close enough to call "compatible".
If the spacing's correct, then what's incompatible? If you can screw the frame onto a Spyder body (which you obviously can, evidenced by the fact that the marker that started this thread has one mounted quite nicely) then what makes it not compatible? Okay, you couldn't put the guts from a mechanical Spyder in it obviously, but if you're using a ram operated Spyder, all you'd need to do is mount the board in there.
A guy at my local field stuck a spyder block on his timmy, and I'm told it operated that way (wasn't there to see it, he had since taken it off). The Spyder that started this thread has a timmy block on it. Now how'd they do that?
Well, just about all markers in some way use the general stacked tube assembly originated by the Spyder, but the Timmy is the only marker priced above about $400 that uses an almost identical body (in style, dimensions, parts configuration and look), has interchangeable parts, has external solenoid hoses and generally has that cheap, thrown together "Spyder" quality. The Angel body differs cosmetically very much from the timmy and Spyder (entirely different dimensions, entirely different parts layout), has drilled air passage and an internally housed solenoid, no Spyder interchangeable (or even marginally compatible) parts, internal LPR, the only similarity it bears to the Spyder is the bolt-over-valve stacked tube design concept.
I understand that all those markers operate on the same general principles, but the only one that resembles a Spyder so unbelievably closely is the timmy. I haven't ever seen anyone decking their Spyders out in Bushy, Impulse, Viking, and Angel parts, but they do seem to be able to use alot of timmy parts interchangeably, or at the very least, with very very slight modification. Hmmmmm.
check the manual gents
http://www.boblong.com/newsite/bobmain.html
"The intimidator marker is a solenoid controlled open-bolt design, very similar to the popular open bolt design found in the spyder. The primary difference is is that insted of a blow back on a spring loaded striker, the bolt is locked into a duel pressurised machined slider. The back of the chamber is pressurised to move the bolt forwardand teh front is pressurised to move the bolt backward. This allows for a very low cycling pressure aswell as much less cocking recoil An electronic 4 way valve controls the slider"
i dont think its a particular argument that "whack goes in the ram, out with the hammer and hey presto, we gotta spyder converted timmy, theres obviously gotta be some alterations, for instance look @ the BC "spyder" up top, for instance for the eyes to would of had to be modded, unfortunatley we can't see anymore mods to her
but for instance take a piranha, you cant swap spyder parts with those either, but there is no argument what so ever that the spyder/piranha run on exactly the same process.
There are lesser known blowbacks which offer a convertion kit which will perform v closely to a timmy, like the diadem, now that runs on exactly the same process as a spyder and with the conversion kit, fairly similar to a timmy, and all that is is the spring and hammer out and a ram and solenoid in.
There is no dispute that there will be mods needed, but only slight ones, unlike some frankinsteins monstors if seen knocking about..........
http://www.boblong.com/newsite/bobmain.html
"The intimidator marker is a solenoid controlled open-bolt design, very similar to the popular open bolt design found in the spyder. The primary difference is is that insted of a blow back on a spring loaded striker, the bolt is locked into a duel pressurised machined slider. The back of the chamber is pressurised to move the bolt forwardand teh front is pressurised to move the bolt backward. This allows for a very low cycling pressure aswell as much less cocking recoil An electronic 4 way valve controls the slider"
i dont think its a particular argument that "whack goes in the ram, out with the hammer and hey presto, we gotta spyder converted timmy, theres obviously gotta be some alterations, for instance look @ the BC "spyder" up top, for instance for the eyes to would of had to be modded, unfortunatley we can't see anymore mods to her
but for instance take a piranha, you cant swap spyder parts with those either, but there is no argument what so ever that the spyder/piranha run on exactly the same process.
There are lesser known blowbacks which offer a convertion kit which will perform v closely to a timmy, like the diadem, now that runs on exactly the same process as a spyder and with the conversion kit, fairly similar to a timmy, and all that is is the spring and hammer out and a ram and solenoid in.
There is no dispute that there will be mods needed, but only slight ones, unlike some frankinsteins monstors if seen knocking about..........
I cant quite understand why there is a dispute........Manike designs and im sure builds Timmys for a living I somehow think he knows the score
Well then surely he wouldn't exaggerate the difference between the markers that his company sells for over $1000 and ones that are known to be cheapy, low end type markers, would he? How about instead of depending on people who "designed and built it" to tell you how their marker works, you check it out for yourself and see what conclusion you come to.Originally posted by Gurney
I cant quite understand why there is a dispute........Manike designs and im sure builds Timmys for a living I somehow think he knows the score
Ohh this is all getting a bit bitchy!!
One thing to bear in mind is that most markers work in the same, or similar ways.
Cars also work in the same or very similar ways but although some parts from an AMG mercedes may be interchangable with parts from my fiesta. Bulbs, alternator, aior con etc could all be adapted to fit there is no way that I could make my car into an £90K super car just by adding a few parts here and there.
I hardly think its fair to say that a timmy is a spyder, they do perform differently and you pay the premium to have that level of performance straight from the box.
Laterz
Ian
One thing to bear in mind is that most markers work in the same, or similar ways.
Cars also work in the same or very similar ways but although some parts from an AMG mercedes may be interchangable with parts from my fiesta. Bulbs, alternator, aior con etc could all be adapted to fit there is no way that I could make my car into an £90K super car just by adding a few parts here and there.
I hardly think its fair to say that a timmy is a spyder, they do perform differently and you pay the premium to have that level of performance straight from the box.
Laterz
Ian