Should Millenium Ban Ramping?

[Magued]

Duff?

Can you guys please remove this guy above my post?
I dont think jokes with the profet and Allah is proper on this forum. Lets save that for other obscure sites.

Magued

 

[duffistuta]

Working my way through all their posts Mag - they have been banned twice.

 

[TheRenton]

To be quite fair I don't care what mode someone is shooting me in, cos if i am stupid I will stand there and take it else i'll curl up in a ball and try and protect myself. I've had almost half a hopper unloaded into me at about 8meters on ramping 15bps and it hurt, but hurt like it should, not damn near killing me like some people seem to think it does. Maybe the protection people wear needs to be improved to stop fear of ramping, not just taking away ramping. Paintball is an extreme sport, and in that sport I believe there should be a large choice. Millenium have been ramping for a while so lets keep it that way, but on the flip side, lets keep the true semi events also and try and attract the right minded players to each as a choice for all. I personally would play both whenever possible cos I just want to play ball all the time.

 

[Baca Loco]

Do or do not, there is no try

Originally posted by tiger jedi
1--So would you say capping at 15 bps in ramp is any easier or harder to police than True semi?

2--Also now all guns ramp would you say that it makes it easier to detect Full auto Break out modes & Ramping Velocity modes, would you say since 15bps ramping there is more teams using private/non standard boards? Do you really think we are any closer to weeding out the cheats with this system or will the next move be let everyone use full auto breakout modes & Ramping velocity modes as standard as long as they are 15 bps?

3--I also believe that if you fix sufficient fines & bans at the top level then most smaller comps leagues will follow suit & this will then put pressure on the industry because if cheating boards are getting teams players banned all over the world then that will reflect badly on there sales & image.

4--Lets not forget that 99.9% of all teams dont have the Finance, Knowledge or will to actually get cheat boards made so lets go back to the core & start fining & banning teams at top level this has to filter down to the industry becouse how can they market a team or gun that has been banned from top level paintball?

5--I really dont have all the answers but i do think if we go back to true semi

Nothing personal jedi but you seem to have your head firmly entrenched in the sand and are determined not to remove it lest you see something you don't like. Repeating the same nonsense over and over however won't make it true--semi or otherwise.
1--of course it is, where have you been? The equipment to do so exists and is relatively easy to use, unobtrusive and accurate. When the PSP caught Dynasty shooting 23 bps in Chicago do you think some on field ref made up the number cus he was positive he could hear it?
2--A) having ramping come in at 8 bps might as well be F/A because almost anyone can engage ramp within three pulls but even so--B) yes, breakout modes that do not comply with the rules can be detected. Your problems are with the MS writing rules they haven't enforced. The result is peeps like you blame the rules (or the ramping) when in fact what you have seen all season in the MS is a taste of what you'd get all around if you made on field refs solely responsible for making gun cheats calls--one extreme or the other, either no calls or subjective calls the teams and players have no recourse to challenge.
3--y'all seem to keep forgetting this ain't sport--not for the leagues--it's customer relations, which is why they have all been terrified of confronting this issue in any form until recently.
4--are you really a pball player? Any idiot can buy any of a half dozen or more boards that will do pretty much anything they want them to do. Even in Britain.
5--you have yet to define true semi in an electro marker universe and if you can't all the rest is worse than wishful thinking, it's delusional.

 

[Lucky]

i will start this by stating that i am against ramping and look foreward to hopefully not getting my ass whipped too badly at the euro5man.
The arguments for and against ramping will run and run, and as you lot have quite easily proved that there is going to be no clear cut solution because of any number of reasons and all the time you go bleating on about the pro's and con's then nothing's going to change.
Currently we introduced ramping because we couldn't catch the cheats, but now you find people are cheating in other ways, so what have we achieved? but anyway here's my point.
Other players are aware of "hot guns", you probably know someone on your team that is using breakout mode for example, but you accept it and let it go on????
The only way that you will ever combat gun cheating is to make a universal agreement on what is acceptable.
By that i mean that all tournament series must be totally clear on one agreed universal stance and the decision must be made with consultation between all major parties concerned (organisers, maufacturers, sponsors, teams etc).
By doing this and strictly enforcing it with harsh penalties as Tiger Jedi suggests, it would be a slow and hard process but you would slowly change the "social acceptance" of cheating.
If a player or players kept getting pulled and were punished hard and the team were also punished hard then how long would you let you fellow team mates cheat if you knew it would throw away any chances of a win?
I know it would be a hard thing to achieve but like drink driving, smoking, speeding etc etc, if you change it's social acceptance then we may just get somewhere.
Another point to add from this is that do you think ramping is slowly choking our game by stopping new players from taking up paintball because of massive paint costs and therefore our player base is slowly diminishing?

 

[Tony - Stupid Troopers]

Originally posted by diablo66

Another point to add from this is that do you think ramping is slowly choking our game by stopping new players from taking up paintball because of massive paint costs and therefore our player base is slowly diminishing?

you seriously think ramping has had a significant effect on paint consumption?

given that this discussion was started about ramping at Millenium events then surely entry fee, travel, accomodation etc are more signifcant costs than paint?

you can always save yourself some pennies and turn ramping off, no-one is forcing you to use it

 

[Lucky]

maybe not but anyone considering a move into paintball will do a quick bit of maths and the calculation goes something like this>>>
15bps x 10mins x 60secs =£"ouch"£.............bugger that "i'm off to take up ping pong" ! ! !
It was just a thought ?

 

[go-one]

When ramping came into the PA I think our paintbill went up about 15 quid each. Thats not a lot compared to the overall bill and anyone who bitches about an extra 15 quid whilst holding a £500 + marker is clearly a little hypocitical !!!

Makeing cheating socialy unaceptable would work but in all walks of life except health and death things are becomming MORE acceptable / tolarated !!! I remember when wipping was the ultimate sin. Nowerdays people can't even be asked to wipe they just get up and run (Hi Dave !!)

I personaly like ramping (waits to listen to gasp's)...... But thats cos I have a max ROF of 9 ish on my right hand and about 5 on my left and thats not through lack of trying / practice but also proves generaly my markers as legal as I can get it !! So my only fight against the cheats is cap em !!!

If people realy want semi only, fine great. But cap that to because its been said SSSSOOOOO many times that noone can shoot more that about 15 ish anyway without (even unintend / known) electronic help. Sp let a boffin do the maths (Yes US there should be an s on the end) and set a 'human cappacity' cap, Say 15 saves me buying a new board !!!!

 

[tiger jedi]

Do or do not, there is no try

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Nothing personal jedi but you seem to have your head firmly entrenched in the sand and are determined not to remove it lest you see something you don't like. Repeating the same nonsense over and over however won't make it true--semi or otherwise.
1--of course it is, where have you been? The equipment to do so exists and is relatively easy to use, unobtrusive and accurate. When the PSP caught Dynasty shooting 23 bps in Chicago do you think some on field ref made up the number cus he was positive he could hear it?
2--A) having ramping come in at 8 bps might as well be F/A because almost anyone can engage ramp within three pulls but even so--B) yes, breakout modes that do not comply with the rules can be detected. Your problems are with the MS writing rules they haven't enforced. The result is peeps like you blame the rules (or the ramping) when in fact what you have seen all season in the MS is a taste of what you'd get all around if you made on field refs solely responsible for making gun cheats calls--one extreme or the other, either no calls or subjective calls the teams and players have no recourse to challenge.
3--y'all seem to keep forgetting this ain't sport--not for the leagues--it's customer relations, which is why they have all been terrified of confronting this issue in any form until recently.
4--are you really a pball player? Any idiot can buy any of a half dozen or more boards that will do pretty much anything they want them to do. Even in Britain.
5--you have yet to define true semi in an electro marker universe and if you can't all the rest is worse than wishful thinking, it's delusional.

To be fair i asked a question of opinions & then you come along & demand facts & answers in a cute effort to get noticed & look clever. Well, done with the personal insults & yes you are right i am an idiot who knows nothing, i dont run sites, shops, comps, Walk-ons or play X-ball, Millennium or NPPL at Pro level do i so what the hell do i know?

Last time i looked you didn't play NPPL, Millennium, any of my events, numpty league or anything else so what makes you such an expert? actually never mind cos now i ain't interested in you or what you say? Who do you play for again or what was that big tourney your hosting......... none didn't think so........ this is the last time i will even acknowledge your existance. Laters loser

 

[Baca Loco]

Don't cry little solider

Originally posted by tiger jedi
To be fair i asked a question of opinions & then you come along & demand facts & answers in a cute effort to get noticed & look clever. Well, done with the personal insults & yes you are right i am an idiot who knows nothing, i dont run sites, shops, comps, Walk-ons or play X-ball, Millennium or NPPL at Pro level do i so what the hell do i know?

Last time i looked you didn't play NPPL, Millennium, any of my events, numpty league or anything else so what makes you such an expert? actually never mind cos now i ain't interested in you or what you say? Who do you play for again or what was that big tourney your hosting......... none didn't think so........ this is the last time i will even acknowledge your existance. Laters loser

Jedi, last time I looked you don't play in the NPPL either unless you count going 0-8 or 1-8 or whatever it was playing paintball and I would gladly let you pick 7 random guys off our squad to play any day, anywhere and you would lose that one too. However, that is neither here nor there.
All you've got is bluster--big deal. You opened a thread in MLT. MLT is a forum for the discussion of the international events and larger concerns of Paintball generally. Your thread was responded to in a way you didn't like. You want to promote your event get an ad.