RIP Rushers???? Team England for good...

[rancid]

Which begs the question why don't other teams or gurus do the same?

C'mon. Who else is out there in the UK that we can badger into setting up another best-of team? I'm struggling, given Giles has retired, and my old mates are all knackered or otherwise indisposed.

And doesn't this really say summat? We have too small a pool of dynamic, experienced 'masters' if you would.

From all of these opinions, perhaps we can all agree on summat:

15years and no success. It's time to put our heads together and come up with a different approach. Cos, as Giles has said, if things don't change we'll be moaning on about this in the year 2017.

 

[TJ Lambini]

Talent Perhaps

is not really a fair answer, given that Dynasty's success flies in the face of your previous arguments.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by rancid
15years and no success. It's time to put our heads together and come up with a different approach. Cos, as Giles has said, if things don't change we'll be moaning on about this in the year 2017.

Agreed and it is starting to happen. Things such as Sparklie's academy and John Payne's academy/vision for the north seem to be moving in a way to catch up with the youth scene that happened in the USA maybe 3-4 years ago.

With an influx of new young players learning the fast paced modern game from the start (as people like Dynasty did) we will build the UK talent pool and from that I hope we will build teams to compete throughout the world.

It may well take a few years, but I'll say it's started in Europe and it's starting over here.

I look to teams like Hardcore and Powertrip for how Europe is doing it and the Rushers and maybe even Ecstacy for how the UK are doing it.

Ecstacy are mixing some new youth with old talent 'Dinoasaurs' to quote someone else and they have been doing well so far considering they were put together from scratch. I guess Phil Web is doing exactly the same thing as Robbo, only he did it first and maybe not with so much hype.

manike

 

[rancid]

And we need better co-operation at the top.

I know this doesn't seem very likely at the moment, but if this new team and Shockwave practiced together week in-week out leading up to the World Cup or whatever, would we not expect at least a degree of improvement? Ok, given what's gone before this wont happen, but you get the point.

And at least we'd have a couple of teams looking out for each other -you know what I mean!

 

[manike]

Talent Perhaps

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
is not really a fair answer, given that Dynasty's success flies in the face of your previous arguments.

No it doesn't, does it?

Dynasty was made up of Iron Kidds (who went pro for a short while didn't they?) and players Who had been playing on Pro Rosta's for Ironmen, AA's, Avalanche etc...

Certainly a lot of the individuals had huge success playing events (even if not pro) before becoming Dynasty.

And all of the Pro's who went to mentor the team were at the top levels in the pro scene at the time they went to form Dynasty.

Sounds like a lot of pro experience went into the Dynasty team.

manike

 

[The real Matt Schmidt]

to put the record straight

Hi giles nice to see you putting things straight and very refreshing to see so many posts with contraversy staying on the forum ,makes a change from being deleted.The record that needs putting right is that i have made both the am and pro semi and finals in the states ,both playing with US teams at the time.Hope this clears things up and maybe Ill get a bit of respec round hear now!

 

[manike]

Originally posted by rancid
And we need better co-operation at the top.

I know this doesn't seem very likely at the moment, but if this new team and Shockwave practiced together week in-week out leading up to the World Cup or whatever, would we not expect at least a degree of improvement? Ok, given what's gone before this wont happen, but you get the point.

And at least we'd have a couple of teams looking out for each other -you know what I mean!

Very true!

I was talking to Bob Long about the Ironmen and how they train and he was saying how they have pro teams fly in, hang out at his place and just keep playing ball for a weekend solid.

They all practice with and against each other to get better.

We need more of that.

manike

 

[Beaker]

Giles,

Firstly I must apologise if my post reads that it was entirely trying to attack any arguement of yours. While I can get a bit defensive having been involved with this squad, i commend you for taking the time and effort to discuss these points and having the control to do this in a structured way and not resort to the level of emotion previously displayed at other times withRobbo & Shockwave!

I agree that *some* of the squad was previously in teams which where of relatively low status, but Chris probably could have gone back to Shock, Truter didn't need to give his commitment when he will almost certainly end up with AA's or AA's 2 in the US. For Ledz and Jack to leave Banzais must have taken something.

Regarding the Robbo/Shock thing. I have taken the view that it's easier to not believe both sides, that way you can't be accused of bias! I wont comment, because I wasn't actually there when these things were said, I only know 2nd hand.

However, considering the small size of the UK scene, to have 2 main protagonists at loggerheads is just that much higher profile.

Like I said before, what would the options have been?

For me to support anything else, I must first of all agree that the other way has a better chance of success than what was or is being done. Until that alternative is given, I will support this until proved otherwise.

It's just a shame with the UK scene as it is that this is already viewed as the great next hope, and not just another good UK team getting together to add to 3 or 4 others who already are competitive internationally.

 

[TJ Lambini]

AFAIK, there were three established Pros on that team in it's first season as Pro, which flies in the face of what Giles said. Without checking back, I think Giles said he felt you'd need 4 - 6 establised older Pros to make a go off it.

Whether they had success at Am is immaterial as far as Giles is arguing....

My point is simply that Dynasty achieved success as Pro with a core of young Am players - and I'd go further than that and say that Jack and Ledz are better players than Chuck and Rodney IMHO.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
with a core of young Am players

Who played and practiced week in and week out with the greats at SC village etc... Takes you back to Rancid's point about how our top guys need to get along and play together.

I'll check at WC but Olly was already a Pro on Ironmen before Dynasty... and I'm sure a few others were.

manike