RIP Rushers???? Team England for good...

[Giles]

Not to sure of the facts MMM, could have been funny never mind might get some one day

Now no short jokes, it does come in handy sometimes, I really enjoyed going to Campaign as a spectator and seeing some old faces around the park

 

[cjohns]

Originally posted by Giles
Not to sure of the facts MMM, could have been funny never mind might get some one day

I can assure you that the facts are quite interesting. A lot of bitterness between 2 certain individuals resulting in a no love loss split. If you wanna know more (which I think you already do and are just pulling Matski's chain) ask Russ. I am sure he is up to par

 

[TJ 2]

Back to tha issue at hand

Your question Giles, before this went off on some obscure tangent, was whether I thought Pete was qualified to train tha team, oui?

Well, I do, because...

He played at the highest level with the world's best for some time, so knows what is required to win there

During that time he learnt from some very skilled captains and players, tha Gardners and Renick

He has long run training days and written technical articles and is regarded by those who know as knowing his stuff

He can motivate people

He can attract sponsors to tha team

Seriously, I think Robo's issues in tha past - and we all know there have been more than a few - are behind him...not playing, getting married and generally chilling out and getting older an wiser have moulded a new Robo.

Now I ain't saying he's a spliff smoking Yoda type all of a sudden, just that he's more relaxed now. Why d'y'all think he stays away from tha forums now, irrespective of what people write about him or accuse him of? Giles, you know tha old Robo would never have been able to do that...

Anyway, I think what you say about lack of experience in tha team is an interesting point - Jack and Ledz obviously have tha required amount, and X-Ball will have been a sharp learning curve for tha rest of tha guys...and how does tha saying go: 'If you're good enough, you're old enough.'

BTW, if you were putting a new team together to attemptr to do what Robo's doing, who would you pick? Cos I ain't entirely sure there are 9 or 10 Brits with tha required experience on tha scene, are there?

 

[Liz]

Back to tha issue at hand

Originally posted by TJ 2

BTW, if you were putting a new team together to attemptr to do what Robo's doing, who would you pick? Cos I ain't entirely sure there are 9 or 10 Brits with tha required experience on tha scene, are there?

We could all probably come up with 10 players with the experience needed. The problem comes in trying to select 10 with both that experience AND the physical requirements and attitude needed for both X-ball and the way the modern game is going.
To exaggerate the point, going purely on experience I played against a scratch team at Campaign that had Sid Spittal playing. Can't get much more experienced than Sid including playing top level in the US, BUT............! Can anyone honestly say that Sid is up to the demands of top Pro ball still?
Looking from the other direction, how do the new players get that pro experience? Why, by either joining an established team that's already made it to the top or by dragging their own team up through the ranks. But they all have to have their first time at pro.

 

[TJ Lambini]

That's my point Liz, there ain't 10 guys still doing it NOW with that experience...go back a ways and y'all coulda had a team featuring Robo, Giles, Phil Ham, Jacko, Marcus Davis, Dave spittle, Rafe an Bart - all of whom had tha required levels of experience and definitely tha ability.

Now, who's left who fulfills Giles' criteria? Ledz and Jack is pretty much it if my Brit ball memory serves me...

 

[Giles]

Interesting TJ

Yes Robbo has been round the block with some very clever and successful teams, as have a few old timers out there today
Being a coach is very seperate to being a Captain I believe Petes strength lies in "He can attract sponsors to tha team"
and thats about it, is my opinion

Theres been some players stateside that have been in teams and could never Captain or coach a squad, the majority of Aftershock and AAs would not be able to manage or train there players

If we judge a person then why not by his past, we certainly cannot jugde him by the future as it has not happened yet and I do not mean any of that sarcasticly
Pete has played PRO in the States and been the most successful English player to play in the States from the uk, But as a Captain/coach he has never performed the promised miracle he offers so many times

I think we have a lot of people that would disagree with you on the training days, Pete is fine for bringing on Am to Nov but never from Nov-Pro, he talks a good talk but falls on the walk


We once had a player on a team I played for that had the mind of a genius when reading a situation on the field, the one and only problem is he was as fat as a house and could never execute his thought well enough to succeed



I hate to agree with Nick but you could put together a European team, but to choose one is beyond me as the names would be to much but I would go with Russkies, Ton Tons, Shockwave and
Ducklings along with Joy Division, the players I do not know there names so well even though I talk to them regularly face to face some would only be one per team, and you would need regular trials and a second squad to bring possible players on (a reserve squad for example) one thing that is required in the game of paintball is a player looking over your shoulder looking for your spot


The saying goes if your good enough you are old enough

Yes very true but be good enough its not age its experience as the Xball taught a few a harsh lesson

And I would never put together a team with all experience either he must just swallow his pride and mix it up a little so the new players can take some guile and experience from the Old dinosaur as we are called by him

All this said I would love the team to go and do some damage, but I am still out for lunch, it aint gonna happen

Nick

What I mean by 15 years is it will not happen, one of those very strange English ways of putting it though
And sorry Nik you cannot play in your own team

 

[Liz]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
That's my point Liz, there ain't 10 guys still doing it NOW with that experience...go back a ways and y'all coulda had a team featuring Robo, Giles, Phil Ham, Jacko, Marcus Davis, Dave spittle, Rafe an Bart - all of whom had tha required levels of experience and definitely tha ability.

Now, who's left who fulfills Giles' criteria? Ledz and Jack is pretty much it if my Brit ball memory serves me...

Giles has been very restrained in not commenting much on this especially bearing in mind the political disputes that went on this year (respect Giles), but he's clearly referring to Shockwave his old team. With the demise of Banzai I would agree that Shockwave are possibly the best UK team at present & certainly have the most experience at international Pro level.

 

[TJ Lambini]

From what I know I'd have to disagree because they fail to fulfill Giles' own criteria - i.e. they haven't played at NPPL Pro level for a coupla seasons? Off tha top of my head they've played what, 2, 3 NPPLs, and not made tha semis?

I'm not disputing tha talent on that team - I regard Matt Schmidt as a very talented player indeed - but I don't think any of em have the experience Ledz and Jack do - though I may be wrong.

 

[TJ Lambini]

And also, judging by what I read on tha boards and what hear from Euro friends, the general consensus of opinion seems to me to be that the best Brit team this season has been either Rushers or Tigers...

 

[Giles]

Sorry Liz missed you out there missed it this morning

Yes agreed Sid has past the hill a little, the good old fella of paintball

My experience peice does not go this far although in his day Sid was a bloody good player who really went over the top with the grey areas of the game in every respect and I do not mean that in a nasty way

There are a few people out there today who have played US ball and some retired individuals who are around still
And as said I would not pick 10 experienced but a mix, sorry but the mix would be a minimum of 4 experienced players to a max of 6 and then 4-6 up and coming Am
Use your old retired pros for practice occasionally, dont just go and play yourself over and over its no good
AAs would travel hours to play another team for a day, Something Pete has yet to use in his wisdom, probably coz he never made practice,