Ramping at the PA...

[DANIEL]

the test chrono measured the timing between the shots if the timing was less than 0.65 ms it was over 15 bps.

We used this on Saturday to set up our guns, I'm happy that it works in the way it should do..

The Pa peeps have said there will be more at the next round so the policing should be more effective.

I thought the ramping was fine... it levelled the playing field a few people I've spoken to didn't like it because 'any little c unt could come along and fire as fast as I can and I've spent years learning the skill'

Some teams used to win games by having more firepower than the other team, this has levelled the playing field..

I found that it encouraged movement as it was easier to run and gun to pin people in, you had to move fast and diving is evermore important.

Ramping does not stop people not watching their lanes or being stupid, people still have to play tight, snap-shoot etc

So the skill of actually playing paintball is still there, people just don't have to spend their whole game concentrating on firing their guns as fast as they can. Not having to think about firing fast helps players to think about the game more and think about moves.

The Div 1 top 5 did not change at all from the first round so the better teams still won, they didn't lose their skill due to the ramping.

I think the 'smile' idea is less about the rate of fire and more about the lack of effort to obtain high rates of fire.

Those of you that are saying it negates moevment should come and watch round three. There was certainly lots of movement in the games we played.

 

[Frackture]

Originally posted by DANIEL
the test chrono measured the timing between the shots if the timing was less than 0.65 ms it was over 15 bps.

We used this on Saturday to set up our guns, I'm happy that it works in the way it should do..

The Pa peeps have said there will be more at the next round so the policing should be more effective.

I thought the ramping was fine... it levelled the playing field a few people I've spoken to didn't like it because 'any little c unt could come along and fire as fast as I can and I've spent years learning the skill'

Some teams used to win games by having more firepower than the other team, this has levelled the playing field..

I found that it encouraged movement as it was easier to run and gun to pin people in, you had to move fast and diving is evermore important.

Ramping does not stop people not watching their lanes or being stupid, people still have to play tight, snap-shoot etc

So the skill of actually playing paintball is still there, people just don't have to spend their whole game concentrating on firing their guns as fast as they can. Not having to think about firing fast helps players to think about the game more and think about moves.

The Div 1 top 5 did not change at all from the first round so the better teams still won, they didn't lose their skill due to the ramping.

I think the 'smile' idea is less about the rate of fire and more about the lack of effort to obtain high rates of fire.

Those of you that are saying it negates moevment should come and watch round three. There was certainly lots of movement in the games we played.

Daniel, I did watch a lot of the games actually and I don't need to come along to see any more thankyou but I'm at a loss to understand a lot of the points you are making in your post above, it makes for confusing and disorganised reading.
It lacks clarity and indulges itself in presumptions that are only substantiated by yourself and certainly not by any reasonable enquiry.

 

[fghost]

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Frackture
Daniel, I did watch a lot of the games actually and I don't need to come along to see any more thankyou but I'm at a loss to understand a lot of the points you are making in your post above, it makes for confusing and disorganised reading.
It lacks clarity and indulges itself in presumptions that are only substantiated by yourself and certainly not by any reasonable enquiry.

so you saw the games then ?
sure you were at the right place ?
I didnt see much sitting back at all..

did you watch any div 1 games ?
i know the teams in there werent sitting back,
manc union were real aggressive again,
phoenix and inferno came for us...
and we werent exactly cowering at the back either.

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by fghost

Who are you talking to?

 

[John C]

Originally posted by Frackture
Daniel, I did watch a lot of the games actually and I don't need to come along to see any more thankyou but I'm at a loss to understand a lot of the points you are making in your post above, it makes for confusing and disorganised reading.
It lacks clarity and indulges itself in presumptions that are only substantiated by yourself and certainly not by any reasonable enquiry.

Im sorry that you cant understand such a straightforward argument.

What he is saying is that ramping doesnt change the game a whole lot. What it does is makes the game more aggressive and interesting to watch.

That is what we want, its a good thing.
Are you catching on yet?

There are at least 10 posts on this thread by people who were there, that corroborate his point of view, so its hardly just his opinion.

Perhaps instead of spending so much time using that thesaurus and trying to belittle people, you should read and take in what they say.

 

[Edd Hobday]

Originally posted by John C
Im sorry that you cant understand such a straightforward argument.

What he is saying is that ramping doesnt change the game a whole lot. What it does is makes the game more aggressive and interesting to watch.

That is what we want, its a good thing.
Are you catching on yet?

There are at least 10 posts on this thread by people who were there, that corroborate his point of view, so its hardly just his opinion.

Perhaps instead of spending so much time using that thesaurus and trying to belittle people, you should read and take in what they say.

Ahmen to that. Nearly everyone that has posted here that was actually there playing on sunday has said that ramping promoted aggressive play. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

-EDD

 

[Scars]

I see your point about making the game more exciting, if there was money to be made from spectators, great, we may then have pro's actually earning a living from playing the sport they love.

But where is there to go from here... Full auto? Its a step a little too close to the illegal - the home office have been fairly leaniant on paintball over the last few years and i feel ramping may draw a few big cheeses to the sport for the wrong reasons

 

[Bolter]

The way I see it is if you don't like it, go play something else. Every single tournament I have ever played (with the exception of Toulouse) had some fault with it. The PA is no exception, for one thing there are no dancing girls, but seriously, what is the problem? We turned up, played our games, did semi ok, went home. Didnt hear a single grumble while I was there. And for once I loved playing a domestic Uk tournie. Anyone remember the M25 series with that strange woman running it? Honestly guys, you dont know what you got till its gone.

Heres something radical.....try improving your game. Use the new weapon (15bps ramping) to your advantage and train at things that will help you, like putting pressure on certain game situations, diving, identifying the killer bunker and work out a way of getting there, walk the fields properly, laning, snap shooting, aiming properly.....hell im gonna say it TEAMWORK. 15 bps is giving you the opportunity to improve your game, and if you can't then you gotta think about whether this is for you or not. This is competition paintball, not a walk on.

 

[Frackture]

Originally posted by John C
Im sorry that you cant understand such a straightforward argument.

What he is saying is that ramping doesnt change the game a whole lot. What it does is makes the game more aggressive and interesting to watch.

That is what we want, its a good thing.
Are you catching on yet?

There are at least 10 posts on this thread by people who were there, that corroborate his point of view, so its hardly just his opinion.

Perhaps instead of spending so much time using that thesaurus and trying to belittle people, you should read and take in what they say.

It was referring to the whole post, I think even my limited intellect managed to grasp that particular point but don't let one event where everybody present is finding their feet determine the eligibility of 15 bps promoting aggressive play.
I also noticed people up and running behind their paint, more so than I would normally have expected (I am not disputing this in any way) but I also noticed a consequent increase in the number of people getting blasted into oblivion.
Players are quick to learn and how many times do you think they are going to get blasted before they start to pull the reins in?
If you had read my posts, you would have realised I was theorising and as such, if you want to come back on me, then stick to the theory of paintball and not the pratcice because in this case, the practice was a first time event and cannot be representative of a trend until it becomes one.
Time will tell and on that note, I will leave you to it .
Good day gentlemen.