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Frackture

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Originally posted by duffistuta
Don't be daft...90% of UK Paintballers mimic their American counterparts in every way possible, Russ is merely taking the next logical step and adopting the all American approach to these things.

PS Attempt to argue with me and I'll see you in court bro...
And there was me thinking he was just adopting the uber-arrogant approach of Hatts, we learn something new every day.

Russ's threat holds about as much credence as a guy with no arms threatening to punch yer lights out....bring it on I would say Mad Dog and sit back and laugh at Russ while he throws his money away in futile litigation.
I'm sure there are a thousand lawyers out there just itching to take his money off of him, come to think of it, I'll act on your behalf Russ and I would have about the same potential for success as any of them and I'm less expensive.........£100 per hour ok?
 

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Originally posted by Frackture
Buddha, my post was a cynical jibe, extending it to a natural conclusion whereby it exposes the rationales employed as non-sensical and ill thought out.

But I think what embodies your misunderstanding is your last line (allegedly the last line is always the bottom line) which is, 'Learn to make gamebreaking moves, rather than concentrating on shooting fast...

And we are to now make these moves against grinning idiots all of whom now shoot at 15 bps ?

Ain't adding up as far as I can see :rolleyes:
Crap, as mister cynical myself I should have recognised a fellow cynic....:D

Anyhow, the NXL seems to suggest it is very well possible to make moves while grinning idiots are shooting at you. Just gotta run a little faster, I guess. Besides, for the one doing the running it should also be easier to run 'n' gun, thus keeping the grinning idiots from grinning. ;)
 

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Originally posted by ollytheosteo
I hear that, but if you're going to try and redefine UK paintball you need to push that little bit harder. If the PA is going to live up to their own hype then they need to train these fellas up a bit, and they certainly need to be familiar with all the rules:rolleyes:
I think the moves they have made are 2nd to none in the UK. No other series that I'm aware of have ref's who are not allowed to play in the league, have a reffing exam etc etc.
Ref's do need to be experienced but they need to ref to gain experience.
As for knowing and being familiar with all the rules, ideally yes of course they should and so should all the players.
If the chrono ref is testing the gun wrong or isn't familiar with the rules then get the ultimate/Russ over. More likely though is the rules have been interpretted incorrectly by the player.

I've not commented on the 'magic box' cos tbh I didn't see it. I guess that in itself is a problem.
Russ has said that there will be enough boxes at rnd 3.
I'd like to see the box in test though, maybe a demo at the captains meeting. Marker capped at 15 and a marker shooting over 15.
 

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Originally posted by Buddha 3
Crap, as mister cynical myself I should have recognised a fellow cynic....:D

Anyhow, the NXL seems to suggest it is very well possible to make moves while grinning idiots are shooting at you. Just gotta run a little faster, I guess. Besides, for the one doing the running it should also be easier to run 'n' gun, thus keeping the grinning idiots from grinning. ;)
I agree with most of what you say but sitting behind a bunker shooting 15 balls a sec as against running and gunning at same speed, I think I know who has the advantage in that little interplay.
I also agree (because I know this will be your next comeback) that the difference between allowing it or not cancels out but the bottom line is this, a moving game is a more attractive game and anything that deters movement should be resisted and an increased volume of defensive paint will deter movement.
 

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Originally posted by Frackture
I agree with most of what you say but sitting behind a bunker shooting 15 balls a sec as against running and gunning at same speed, I think I know who has the advantage in that little interplay.
I also agree (because I know this will be your next comeback) that the difference between allowing it or not cancels out but the bottom line is this, a moving game is a more attractive game and anything that deters movement should be resisted and an increased volume of defensive paint will deter movement.
You think?
I think if you have the inclination to move then it is made easier with ramping.
 

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PA ramping was fine dunno what all the fuss is about tbh, so I shoot 15 bps off the break instead of 12 and shoot 15 bps on the move rather than about 10, ok there's more paint in the air and it's easier to "put people in" but you still have to do the moves to get peeps out.

Anyone would think shooting fast was the be all and end all of paintball :p

I can understand the legal/safety/enforcement worries that peeps have and these should be addressed maybe with more testing and statements from those involved.

I'm all for it :)
 

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Originally posted by Collier
You think?
I think if you have the inclination to move then it is made easier with ramping.
I think I can understand why you might say that but if you look at the theory behind the respective paint cones (offensive and defensive) with the offensive firing cone being inherently less accurate because of a mobile and unsteady firing base, then if you increase the amount of paint involved, surely the defensive advantage becomes more apparent?

I might be wrong but I am interested to hear other people's opinions on the matter, even yours Mr Collier :)
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ramping at the PA...

Originally posted by Frackture
I agree with most of what you say but sitting behind a bunker shooting 15 balls a sec as against running and gunning at same speed, I think I know who has the advantage in that little interplay.
I also agree (because I know this will be your next comeback) that the difference between allowing it or not cancels out but the bottom line is this, a moving game is a more attractive game and anything that deters movement should be resisted and an increased volume of defensive paint will deter movement.
frackture do you actually play the PA or did you go and watch the PA leg 2?

if you were there then you would have seen that games were not sitters like people were saying...people were busting moves because they had the power to put people in. people dont really have time to sit because the game is moving so quickly and the paint runs out VERY quickly!

even if people are sitting and blazing 15bps an inch away from your head there are still ways to counter it...quick snap shooting for example! now it is more important than ever to try and read that paint
 

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>I don't think the PA is putting a gun to your head and forcing >you to use that mode....

I know that - We didn't use any ramping at the last round.

>Besides, if you can set your gun to ramp at a certain BPS, you >can also set it to start ramping when you hit 8/9/10/whatever >BPS.

From what I understand, according to the rules, you can't pick at what point its starts ramping.

Why are the ramping advocates so stroppy about everybody else not being mad keen on ramping? :) :) :)
 
Originally posted by Frackture
awww how quaint, how amusing, how delightfully spiffing that players had the '15 bps grin'...we can now all return to the shires basking in the knowledge that the PA league have produced the '15 bps smile'...Ahhhhhhh…….it warms me to my very core.

Come to think of it pet, let's get all our children playing this game because all the players walk around all day with that smile, it truly must be a family game with all that happiness just ooozing from the players.

FFS, anybody thought about just why these grinning idiots might be so smug, could be because they were firing a marker at a rate they couldn’t ever have hoped to achieve before and has now been artificially handed to them on a plate...yeh good move guys, what next ?

A device that does away with actually aiming the gun and automatically eliminates your opponent?

And while we are at it, why not go the whole hog and rule out all the skills required to play this game and let's play virtual paintball with a joystick, I mean, I'm pretty sure you could get that on Sky on any Saturday morning with the rest of the cartoons and dross especially when you pay them to air the show like you already do.

In fact, let's also get rid of all the rules together, that's got to be easier to police surely?

If there are no rules there's no policing necessary, this is the same rationale is it not?

Just because ramping is hard to catch, let's shift the problem to where we think we can catch it easier but in reality all we’ve done is trade one set of problems for another and ended up nullifying one of paintball’s skills and upping the chances of some grinning idiot getting hurt or getting into a fight.

We've really cracked it now, wooo hoo, more power to the PA.
wow... what was intended as a light hearted comment seems to have really boiled someone's blood... I didn't come up with the phrase... just something I heard that I thought was kind of amusing... sheesh... and I get accused of being up tight... If this guy eats coal I bet he can crap diamonds....

I'll concede there were teething problems the same as any rational person will understand there is when trying anything new... but hell, someone has to try it first or we'll never know if it works... and no one is being forced to do anything they don't want to...

So far the majority of people I have spoken with personally liked what happened on Sunday and the people who have offered rational and supportive comments on how we can improve things we listen to and we're working bloody hard to keep improving things.

Insane rantings in a public forum from a disturbed individual don't really help matters and actually cloud the truth of what really happened... but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Interestingly, the majority of feed back I've had from players reckoned that because it made the "running and gunning" thing easier they were more inclined to move than sit back... and as paint consumtion didn't actually increase as dramatically as some people predicted I guess there wasn't any more sitting back and dumping box after box of paint downfield than there has been previously.

I must admit I still don't get why some people feel the need to attack the PA so vehemently... no we're not perfect but alot of people are working very hard and these things do take time.... it would take a damn site less time if more people got actively involved...

...and if you really hate it so much why not just get on and do something else? Really? Put your energies into something productive instead of spending your days trying to pull down what someone else is doing? You know you could actually surprise yourself and do something good.

Arrogant? Me? hardly... but sometimes decisions have to be made and I get to be the one who makes them for the PA. It sucks. I hate dissapointing people but "omlettes and eggs" and I always did say that some of things the PA was going to do were going to be painful.

The PA as an organisation always has and always will continue to develop in a direction that it feels will move paintball into the realms of an established sport with a strong, stable structure and that means moving away from the wobbly framework it's been clinging to for 20 years. If you consider that arrogant then yes, I guess it is.
 
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