PSP's new 15 BPS rule

[Chicago]

Originally posted by John C
I dont get it? How does this help you validate the chip?

What, in your solution is stopping the manufacturers releasing cheat boards??

It was stopping you from conveniently validating the chip because one of hte patents was on being able to read the chip in the gun.

You can't stop manufacturers from releasing cheater chips. But if you mandate that ALL chips must be readable, and must contain one of a limited number of approved programs, you are then able to prove if someone has a cheater chip instead of trying to guess.

 

[John C]

Ah right, so not so much detecting cheater chips, as ones that are not made by the main manufacturers.

Wont that hurt companies like tadao, who produce 'upgrade' chips for existing guns that are still tourney legal?


Also I cant see any of the manufacturers agreeing to make their code readable in the standard way because they would be giving their hard earned code away.

If you created a non standard way of doing it ie password encryption you wouldnt really have a clue whether the chip is telling you its true source code, or just telling you what you want to hear...

Unless you are going to design your own microprocessor with these functions in mind.

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by John C
Wont that hurt companies like tadao, who produce 'upgrade' chips for existing guns that are still tourney legal?

Boohoo. We all know that the only reason these "upgrade" companies exist in hte first place is that they make boards that can operate illegally more conveniently than the stock boards.

But, there's no part of theplan that requires only boards from major manufacturers to be used, only that a player uses a set of code approved by the league. Although that will probably kill the aftermarket board market, since everyone's code will be the same, it's teh aftermarket board market that got us in this mess in the first place.

 

[Gyroscope]

I think that generalization doesn't apply to Tadao, Chicago, even if it fits others to a T.

 

[Chicago]

It may not apply to retail Tadao boards, beyond the usual no-reason-to-allow-debounce-that-low except so those boards can be used to cheat, but there is no shortage of teams who got their cheater boards from Will.

2 of the 4 teams that got DQ'd from NPPL last year were using Tadao boards.

 

[John C]

Yeah its that whole double debounce threshold that does it...




I believe that your proposition to hand over complete control to the manufacturers isnt going to level the playing field at all.

Now the manufacturers are free to decide who gets cheat boards and who doesnt. Nobody will be able to tell because you are letting them regulate themselves.

 

[Chicago]

You misunderstand the proposal. There is NOTHING about handing over complete control to the manufacturer. You REQUIRE that boards have sockets that accept a particular microcontroller. Either manufacturers put those boards in their guns or people have to buy them aftermarket, but oen would expect manufacturers would put the boards in the guns.

Then you REQUIRE that players use a chip provided by the league with software that can be read out of the chip and compared to approved software. Each league can require their own chips, or many leagues can standardize on one chip, as amrket forced dictate, but the important part if players can get the chips they need for less than $10. And when they're not playing a particular league,t hey can swap back to whatever chip they'd like.

Giving unsupervised control to the manufacturer is exactly what we're trying to stop.

 

[John C]

Sorry I was thinking you were still using your encryption key and validation idea from 4 posts back.



The problem (as Manike has pointed out somewhere or other) with the league having its own gun code is the cost.

I know one company value their code at x.x million dollars, how can the leagues afford that ???

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by John C
I know one company value their code at x.x million dollars, how can the leagues afford that ???

That company is full of themselves. They'd have to be valuing their code on how many boards they sell or something, adn the only reason they're selling that many boards is the cheat modes.

Simply, it doesn't cost millions of dollars to deveop the software. Pay a competent computer programmer and they'll whip somthing up for you in a month. No reason to pay inflated prices to buy software off of someone else.

One you've released and required "Free" sofware, you'll have commoditized the market and special board software will be pretty much worthless.

 

[peegee]

John is a competent computer programmer and is working on paintballgun software.

It doesnt matter if you dont think that software is worth that much money but in reality it is.

No company or tournament organiser is going to allow it otherwise there will be no event sponsors.