PSP's new 15 BPS rule

[Steve Morris]

It is interesting to note that there have been ZERO complaints that I've been able to find about the new 15bps rules after the PSP Pomona event. When the rule was introduced on PbNation there were 15 pages, mostly moaning, not to mention this thread and Smacktalk. Usually people who want to complain and whine are the most vocal and all I've heard so far is that LA went smoothly gun-wise and that many players really like the new rules.

Has anyone heard any different?

 

[manike]

From what I heard the majority of people at LA liked it...

It meant they could have the same machine guns as always, but not risk getting pulled.

 

[ChuckC]

I haven't heard a single complaint about it...nor did I hear any at the event.

I saw a player get busted for shooting in excess of 15BPS. When all the markers on the field are firing at the same rate it makes sort of a rhythmic sound. The player that I witnessed shooting too fast really stood out to me (and the judges). You could just hear it break the rhythm of the other markers. It turned out to be shooting 23BPS. The marker was conviscated and the player was suspended for the rest of the event.

 

[The Don]

all for the capping idea, i wont pretend i understand the rules, but i had a tought, perhaps torney hoppers should be standardised, hell even only allow people to use pre setup hopper given out by the organisers that can only feed so fast. surely thats easier than capping markers. lol so you only allowed REVY's now. you get the idea

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by The Don
all for the capping idea, i wont pretend i understand the rules, but i had a tought, perhaps torney hoppers should be standardised, hell even only allow people to use pre setup hopper given out by the organisers that can only feed so fast. surely thats easier than capping markers. lol so you only allowed REVY's now. you get the idea

I've thought that the referees should allow any marker on the field that has certain, approved, non-modified hoppers that could never exceed the cap. Maybe even vendors or, in the worst case, the organizers could rent them out for a nominal fee. That would be a service to those who can't or are unsure if they can comply.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Hehe

It meant they could have the same machine guns as always, but not risk getting pulled

I guess a bunch of people suddenly learned how fast 15 BPS REALLY is.....

Sadly the PSP rules can be implementet in Europe, because of the whole "semi-auto only" thing... which makes it a bit more tricky.

On the loader thing suggested by Steve:

I think that will just complicate matters more.

I'll bet you'll see a Halo (or similar forcefeed) pretty soon with a board limited to 15 BPS.... and how on eath will you then check that the programming of the board has not been modified?

Keep it simple!

Nick

 

[Steve Morris]

Hehe

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
I think that will just complicate matters more.

I'll bet you'll see a Halo (or similar forcefeed) pretty soon with a board limited to 15 BPS.... and how on eath will you then check that the programming of the board has not been modified?

Keep it simple!

Good point and I agree. I would suggest that only the known agitator type hoppers that can be easily verified be allowed for those that aren't able to control their ROF any other way. This would be an accommodation and service that would be an exception rather than the norm.

You're right that we don't want to open the Pandora's Box of having to try to prove or disprove boards in certain really fast-feeding hoppers.

 

[Chicago]

Eh...

You shouldn't control paint flow at the hopper, because you're not really controlling speed, you're controlling reliability. The reason a halo is better than a VL200 isn't JUST speed, it's that it feeds CONSISTENTLY. I think it would be a shame to introduce mandatory inconsistent equipment when there are other alternatives available.

I think the solution is DM4-style boards (ones where you can pop the chip out) and promoters can require players to buy a chip for their league where the promoter can pop it out and verify the code if necessary. The things would only be $8-$10.

Actually, I'm a little upset that the 15 bps rule worked so well as now it's going to be even harder to convince people to "go back" to semi-only, which is where the sport belongs. Or stock. That'd be good too.

 

[The Don]

ok but i didnt mean the bit about the revy, it was more of a build a new control hopper which is consistent that is capped at 15bps and the organisers could hire them out at the events. seems simple, or you could convert a hopper already in existence. seems like a relatively simple solution.

 

[Liz]

Originally posted by The Don
ok but i didnt mean the bit about the revy, it was more of a build a new control hopper which is consistent that is capped at 15bps and the organisers could hire them out at the events. seems simple, or you could convert a hopper already in existence. seems like a relatively simple solution.

Organisers hiring mandatory equipment is a BAD idea. It leaves things open to the players being ripped off by the organisers, or at least the perception by the players that they are being ripped off. There would also be surprisingly large costs associated with a scheme like that, not just the purchase of the equipment but the repair and the administrative costs as at least one person would have to be employed just to organise this, more at a major event.

I agree with Steve about not regulating the rate of fire at the hopper, as it just opens up exactly the same can of worms as we've been discussing for marker, i.e. how to you prove/test for the standard chip being fitted and not an aftermarket upgrade?