PSP's new 15 BPS rule
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Not sure, ask the guys that spend months programming the boards and code.
The code in some of these guns has been developed over YEARS!
Ask Will (Tadao), Dan (Entropy) or Curt (Predator / Morlock) or Flash (PE) and see what they say. You can ask Jim Drew too, but his actions speak louder than his words... and how long has he been promising the Turbo Rev 2 and the 3.0 WAS software?.................................
The guys I know that do aftermarket codes spend a HUGE amount of time reprogramming, testing and fine tuning the code. It's fine tuned for each gun design.
It took something like 6 months of testing and fine tuning the Frenzy code before Bobby was happy with it.
There is little chance we would allow someone access to our IP and source code. I expect many of the other manufacturers feel the same. There is protected valueable information there which is proprietary. I doubt anyone who made a 'unified code' for tournament use would either, unless you paid them a fortune to do it, and then just released it as open source code for others to verify. Unless someone stumped up some big money to pay for it, it's not going to happen.
How can you tell what chip is in there?
I don't believe ANY company that provides the code for this solution would do so out of the goodness of their hearts and then be happy about people scanning it off and using as they see fit. That's the only way you would be able to even relatively simply check it.
And since the said same companies won't show you their source code, but 'may' show you a hex file, you will find that it's very easy to hide things in the hex file.
You trust the manufacturers not to hide stuff in the hex file that would give them an advantage? Stop me laughing before my sides split.
Who/How will you confirm the hex file doesn't have hidden information?
Who will pay for the development of this code that is then going to be turned over for the 'public' to see and check at random?
How can you be sure the code for one gun is fair and good enough when compared to the code written for another gun? Manufacturers will complain like crazy if they feel the code isn't good enough to run their markers.
I wouldn't want to be in the programmers shoes.
Flash's idea/solution is far better.
Let the manufacturer make their boards as they see fit, and then work on a single device that checks inputs against outputs. Best solution I've heard of. Doesn't step on that many toes. An independent company only has one board and device to develop...
According to the guides a switch modified on the correcy way will bounce loads when you pull the trigger fast and very little when you pull slowly.
So the slow pull bounce is snubbed out.
Either way I fear it would get back to the 'its bouncing' - 'its not bouncinc' debate. Which is the source of the problem.
If the black box contained the switch, which has an optical or HE trigger to eliminate contact bounce then I think it would work...
Chicago:
Who is going to provide this code which must be distributed freely?
I have heard how much one company values their code, and no tournament series could afford that much!!!
OK, we agree on Hendrix (I wonder what ROF his fingers would put out shooting lefty?). He was THE MAN. Page was good but couldn't hold a candle to the tonal range and versitiliy of Kath, who got stuck in the wrong band.
Keep up tha good work Chicago and Manike!
[Manike Depression has captured my soul....]
EDIT ADDED: How 'bout Albert King, Buddy Guy or Ry Cooder? Couple years down the road you can add Stevie Ray to the debate. TFP Oh, yeah, and despite all the crap he put out Clapton can be brilliant.
REPLY TO EDIT ADDED: Definitely Stevie Ray (the only one who could dare try to cover Voodoo Child) and I agree on remarks about Clapton. But the guitarist I would most want to simply listen to is Carlos. Then there's Wes Montgomery, Bola Sete, Gabor Szabo, perhaps Jimmy Beck and virtually unknown studio/session plunkers like Niall Squire.
I am way over my area of expertise (if there exists such a thing) here, so be nice to me if I say something completely idiot
What would stop a gun manufacturer to add more electronics behind the in/out gates? Say in the solenoid. When the solenoid gets n activations per second fires at n+m bps.
There are people who are willing to provide code for a flat fee for work.
You would also establish a trusted third party to review code with the appropriate NDAs and a fee. Small fee for reviewing modified versions of the base code, large fee for reviewing an entire new set of code.
Altough, how much of all this extra work was retuning to fire one shot per pull, and how much was for masking various sorts of ramp?
But, part of the "magic" of the solution is nobody HAS to provide readable code - as long as the chip interface is standard, you can just swap in a $5-$10 chip to play a particular event. PSP or NPPL could give them away with ID cards.
Or looking at it another way, manufacturers will just have to view providing software as part of the expense of selling hardware. Just like IBM gives away (and maintains) linux for free to get you to buy their servers.
You would also establish a trusted third party to review code with the appropriate NDAs and a fee. Small fee for reviewing modified versions of the base code, large fee for reviewing an entire new set of code.
Altough, how much of all this extra work was retuning to fire one shot per pull, and how much was for masking various sorts of ramp?
But, part of the "magic" of the solution is nobody HAS to provide readable code - as long as the chip interface is standard, you can just swap in a $5-$10 chip to play a particular event. PSP or NPPL could give them away with ID cards.
Or looking at it another way, manufacturers will just have to view providing software as part of the expense of selling hardware. Just like IBM gives away (and maintains) linux for free to get you to buy their servers.
SRV was The Man...I am not hearing any love for Jeff Healy, Robben Ford or John Frusciante here though.Originally posted by Steve Morris
OK, we agree on Hendrix (I wonder what ROF his fingers would put out shooting lefty?). He was THE MAN. Page was good but couldn't hold a candle to the tonal range and versitiliy of Kath, who got stuck in the wrong band.
Keep up tha good work Chicago and Manike!
[Manike Depression has captured my soul....]
EDIT ADDED: How 'bout Albert King, Buddy Guy or Ry Cooder? Couple years down the road you can add Stevie Ray to the debate. TFP Oh, yeah, and despite all the crap he put out Clapton can be brilliant.
REPLY TO EDIT ADDED: Definitely Stevie Ray (the only one who could dare try to cover Voodoo Child) and I agree on remarks about Clapton. But the guitarist I would most want to simply listen to is Carlos. Then there's Wes Montgomery, Bola Sete, Gabor Szabo, perhaps Jimmy Beck and virtually unknown studio/session plunkers like Niall Squire.
The solenoid is powered by the signal sent to fire it.Originally posted by jotajotaZ
I am way over my area of expertise (if there exists such a thing) here, so be nice to me if I say something completely idiot
What would stop a gun manufacturer to add more electronics behind the in/out gates? Say in the solenoid. When the solenoid gets n activations per second fires at n+m bps.
If your noid was able to add extra shots it would need a control chip and a power source, no one makes noids like that and a modified one would be very easy to spot.
