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acsik

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Well I think with Xball promoters will finally feel the weight of the issue.

I mean if they are able to get this sport of ours on telly then it should be reffed as tight as it humanly possibile. Players bitching and throwing gear, or god forbid picking fights would do horribile damage for paintball.


So pay the refs ! There is no other way.


Peace
 
>>>Players bitching and throwing gear, or god forbid picking fights would do horribile damage for paintball.

Why? It happens in most other sports...refs need to be on tha ball when it comes to cheating and correct rulings, but seeing a guy so pissed he throws a pot into a bunker, or a couple of guys dropping their guns and getting in each other's faces, is no biggy...happens in every hockey and soccer match and doesn't do them much harm.
 

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Mr Hasselhof :)


It would be bad because they see paintball as a violent sport (GUNS 'ma GUNS on telly!!) if guns get thrown and noses busted it will have one message.

Flat out aggression!!!
And I think you wery well know how paranoid the US media is in that subject.


Peace

P.s: MR Hasselhof is apparently not shining sooo brightly on hollywoods sky nowadays!!
http://my.hinet.hr/news.asp?v_id=29761
 

KEN@AFGM

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But what happens.....

Ok in Ice Hockey or football...sorry soccer, people may get in each others faces but no one dares touch a ref. Its not exactly uncommon for refs in our sport to be deliberately targeted as a bit of "pay back".
Also if a player in a main stream sport touches the ref in anyway he's looking at a major fine and being banned for a good long while. What happens in paintball.... Ejected from the tourney and thats it.
Paintball is already much more physical than most sports. You want to fight take up boxing. You don't like a ref's call... suck it up and motivate yourself to play better. Violence/ intimidation has no place in paintball

TJ i await your response
 
Touching refs, I agree - I was talking about, as I think I said above, players getting in each other's faces...

And I completely fail to see how Paintball is 'more physical than other sports'. I have busted myself up mountain biking, kayaking, climbing, playing soccer and doing martial arts, but in a decade of balling I ain't ever been injured, not once.
 

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Originally posted by rancid


nah, I don't think you're naive, but acsik nails it on the head.

1) Who wants to be a marshal?
2) Who wants to pay for the training?

Eventually, marshalling will be a commodity, and therefore the promoters will be forced to improve..... but we've been waiting 20 years.
There must be people out there that want to marshall, its these people that need encouraging... I personally would marshall the Millenium series but apart from some rec-ball marshalling (different ball game I know) I have never marshalled a tourney also I am not going to spend X amount of cash flying to Toulouse or wherever to get a few quid a day... I would want to be fully compensated for my travel and to have a few quid pocket money... after all if the weekend doesnt cost me anything to get there then I wouldnt expect a huge payment.... In order to feel competent enough to Marshall the millenium series I would want to marshall a few tourneys here in the UK in a few lower divisions at first working my way up to the pro scene (what there is of it over here) I would also want training to some degree be it a short course with exam taught to me by people that I am confident have the experience to stand at the head of the class.

Now I have refereed 5 a side footy, I have umpired indoor cricket (before you mock, look it up and you'll see the indoor game bears little resemblance to the outdoor sunday stuff) to premier level I know what intimidation is, I know what its like to be hated by a team for what is percieved to be a bad call, I have made desicions against people I know that has swung a game.... I have no problem with ripping the arm band off a player if I have made what I percieve to be a correct call if put in that situation. However if I was physically abused by a player I would expect to see that player removed from a tourney, if its deemed more serious then I would expect to see that player removed from upcoming tournies..... If there was a marshalling body this could be accomplished. The only real problem I percieve here is that tournament organisers would feel "put out" by an external body having a say in how that tournament is run...


I imagine all this has been said before tho and I am to a degree wasting my time, I have not got the industry links to enable me to set this up.... I doubt the industry would accept a marshalling body at this time, the sport is still in its infancy but as has been stated here before, this has to happen for our sport to progress to the stage we want it to get to, of that I am certain.
 

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Glad we agree about the refs

Ok you've picked what some people would called extreme sports as comparisons and in now way can be considered main stream sport. (apart from the football obviously)
I consider paintball fairly physical in terms of muggings, dives etc. Lets be fair being mugged can be a hell of a shock to the system! Just because you never see real bad injuries in the sport doesn't mean that our sport aint physical which correct if i'm wrong is what you are currently guaging your thinking on.

Am i misunderstanding your opinions?
 
OK,

in comparison to rugby, hockey, horse racing and a host of other non-extreme sports, I would still argue that Paintball isn't physical.

Being bunkered is a shock, sure, but it's not physical apart from the fact that it can sting a bit. As for the rest, a 50-yard run and dive is pretty much the limit of all athletic endeavours in tourney ball - so all in all, nope, I in no way consider Paintball to be a particularly physical sport because it ain't one!
 

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Recoil, you say you've not marshalled a tourney so listen to those posting here who have done so. Typical things that can happen to a tourney marshall (& I'm not talking Millenniums here, just decent level stuff within the UK) include:
Verbal abuse
Being shot by players who want you to move (rather than asking you that is!)
Threats of physical abuse - actual is very rare though luckily
Bias at later events, 'cause the player reffing when YOU play was one who thought you were unfair/biassed/cr@p etc when he was playing
Being shot because players disagreed with your calls
Being expected to be alert & on your feet from 7.30am until 6.00pm, judging up to 30 games in a day, often with no break so you just grab the burger given to you between games, & hope the organisers remember to give you enough fluids
Being paid enough to cover your expenses & give you a little beer money over, provided you don't need a Travel Inn room the night before.

I used to marshall a fair bit, everything from rental customers up to national series, but I only do so now when it's things like a self-marshalling tourney. You say that there must be people out there who WANT to marshall - well I can't really think of a single reason WHY they should, especially as you would have to be very careful about solcialising with any of the players, sponsors etc as well.