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I agree with wadidiz, I personally think we are going to have problems with marshalling until some sort of standards are set maybe a qualification are available. At this point I am talking about the "bigger" tournies and not the grass roots stuff but maybe there can be some progression later?

I wonder how it would affect the millenium series if a group of marshalls where available to attend each tourney in the series, people that were sufficently trained, thier costs covered, answerable to the millenium comitee and paintball in general.

If this was the case the standard rules could be applied to each tourney, the marshalls should be experts.. At campaign I think I was told 4 or 5 different places to stand, the way my gun had to be pointing etc before the break out. I was told I couldnt be called neutral on one field and called neutral on another. (no disrespect to the marshals at campaign they were all fantastic it was just minor rule differences in general)

Surely a proffesional marshaling body would also help the image of the sport?

Now when I talked about progression earlier, maybe there is some way for the marshalling body (if it was ever set up) to supply to tournies like the 2k2 Series or the MM series and use these as training grounds for a movement up to the "Bigger" Millenium type events. Is this how footy reffing works? ie you do sunday league then move up to maybe Premier later on?

Probably taking this way off topic just my verbal diorhea (sp?)
 

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I agree.

Originally posted by garycarrot
Lets set up a ref. school
Starting with the 2k3 series, and use these people at larger events. with everyone going by the same rules..

Sounds like a good idea to me.
ok... seeing as I have at least 1 reply so far ;)

What would it take to set up this school? (in the Uk for now) just quickly off the top of my head as im on my way out.

1. Backing of at least 1 or 2 major series (ie MM and Series 2k?)
2. An injection of cash to stump up for the initial set up
3. Backing from teams and maybe the industry to a degree
4. A clearly defined set of rules for 5, 7 and 10 man events

Anything else?
 

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We have P.R.O. refs here in the states and they are seriously looked down upon. They are the lowest form of life in US paintball right now.

Should they be? Hell no. But they are. The problem is that the P.R.O. does not attract quality applicants and they have to take whatever trash walks in and volunteers. No ex-pro players have stepped up and joined. Why should they?
 

Wadidiz

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Originally posted by Bobvannes
We have P.R.O. refs here in the states and they are seriously looked down upon. They are the lowest form of life in US paintball right now.

Should they be? Hell no. But they are. The problem is that the P.R.O. does not attract quality applicants and they have to take whatever trash walks in and volunteers. No ex-pro players have stepped up and joined. Why should they?
There are some things here I really don't understand so I risk really sounding naive.

I have no idea what kind of training program the PRO refs have and it always easy to criticize something than to do it yourself. But, I believe if I took some average-intelligence individuals who wanted to do a good job, I believe that I could teach them to do a good job reffing. It just doesn't seem that hard to me. I think it is a matter of a good teaching and training program in order to transfer the knowledge and skills.

Another matter is, what attracts people? I would probably sign up for it myself if it weren't for the fact that I would be prohibited from socializing with players and sponsors. That would take away my main reason for attending a big tournament that I couldn't play at.

Money don't talk, it swears. I think the big leagues will have to pay more for quality judging. Perhaps they will have to pay more for head-field-judges and for senior judges and leave the usual pay for the entry-level "trainees". Give them incentive to improve and move up, just like any other job.

Again, with proper training and monetary incentive, along with good supervision, I don't see why the PRO thing shouldn't work. I don't think what I'm suggesting is impossible.

Combine poorly trained and poorly motivated refs, ones that are already looked at suspiciously, with a low judge-to-player ratio and you're bound to have problems. (And the required judge-to-player ratio in the NPPL rules is plainly and simply too small.) That's not to mention the environment of lax regard for the rules and very little backing up of the existing rules.

Here I go again. Everybody who has read my posts here know I'm beating the drums for fixing these reffing problems and exploring ways. So I keep repeating myself.

Steve
 

Recoil

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Originally posted by rancid
Incentive perhaps?
What other incentive should we need than to provide a service that means that paintball ensures tournaments are reffed effectively and consistently? or am I being naieve (sp?)
 

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You're Naive Recoil :)


If anyone reffed any big event knows that its a helluva tough job, you will be yelled at shooted at and mentally & physically you have to be 100% there all day along.

The reward is some dough and a few lines thanking you at the end of the tournament.

Add up to that that this is your JOB and you cannot mix with ppl (teams/sponsors)without called being partial.

That is compensable by only one thing:

Cold Hard Cash


So I bid you adieou with the immortal words of Cuba Gooding Jr:

"SHOOOW ME THE MONEY"


Peace :)
 

rancid

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Originally posted by Recoil


What other incentive should we need than to provide a service that means that paintball ensures tournaments are reffed effectively and consistently? or am I being naieve (sp?)
nah, I don't think you're naive, but acsik nails it on the head.

1) Who wants to be a marshal?
2) Who wants to pay for the training?

Eventually, marshalling will be a commodity, and therefore the promoters will be forced to improve..... but we've been waiting 20 years.