Prisoners of War, War Criminals or Terrorist???

[TheRo0sTer]

Yes

Originally posted by cjohns
Rooster was actually there and I am sure he can tell you more than what some freelance writer thought about it.

What huh I was where? You don't want me to start telling "Back in (enter war here)" Stories do you? A lot can be learned from 1st hand experiance versus reading things. But hell I didn't think in a million years when I said "I joined to defend my country!" I would have to go to another country and defend thier rights. You know there is also a lot of how we dumped so and so. But what about the good that has come out of all this help we give? You should have heard the storied told to us by Kuwaiti Air Force members when thier country was taken over by Iraq. The look of horror and fear when they talked about it. The way thier eyes light up when they say Thanks for the help the US gave them! That's the reason why I got to bat and get heated when the finger pointing goes to the US. Our counrty does a lot for a lot of people some good and some not so good. But as they say 1 oh **** doesn't take away all the ata Boys! NO where in these post have I said the US is perfect either!

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Originally posted by crom-dubh
It was America's president, George Bush, who, on February 15, called on the "Iraqi military and the Iraqi people" to rise up and "force Saddam Hussein . . . to step aside."

I remember that... But like the quote says the IRAQI people! Not just the Kurds. When these IRAQI Gun Ships opened fire it was Saddam that should be blamed. Not the US. Also a little point you left out. The reason the Kurds were fleaing was because they were forewarned that the US was loosening the noose around Saddams neck.

 

[cjohns]

Originally posted by crom-dubh
Actually I was in the Army when the gulf was on so I do know the picture. I have buckets of quotes about the Kurdish situation.

Also it is well known fact what the US did. he reason they enforce the no fly zone is because of the **** they got for pulling out at the last minute. Get ready for another quote.

I don't want to hear your quotes The whole point that I am trying to make is that no matter how much we help a country out in their time of need, the U.S. will always be looked down upon for something they did in that country. Our main intent is to help countries who can't help themselves. I am just so sick of people getting pissy over what we do. I think we should give no support from the U.S to anyone and then let's see who comes crying for our help.

 

[crom-dubh]

I am not putting the blame solely on the US I am just pointing out that they did ferment a coup then decided it was not such a good idea and as a result thousands of Kurds were killed.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by TheRo0sTer
About us not doing anything about the IRA... Well I am thinking if the Prime minister of the UK asked the US to help they would! But you see I have never heard Mr Blair or previous prime ministers ask the US.

Actually the UK government has been asking the American government to stand out against the IRA and it's supporters for decades. America has long been known as the major source of funds for the IRA. At one point it was also believed that American military trained snipers were operating in Ireland.

No US president would do so, until Clinton. They all refused because they thought it would be bad for them politically. It's one thing I respect Clinton for. (not monica though... how could he? eewww)

Clinton actually said things against the IRA atrocities but even then very guardedly and cagely in order not to offend many of the people that financially support the IRA and allegedly other areas of the US political campaing...!

Up until Clinton the US government flat out refused to condemn the IRA and their actions even though requested by the UK.

I also do not think our British government has done enough. I think terrorists should face the retaliation against their own actions. Personally I have had my life affected by terrorism (enough damn bomb scares in Brighton when I lived there) and when I was in the Navy reserves. It needs to be taken seriously and the people punished/stopped by whatever means necessary.

I'm in favour of hunting out ALL terrorists and preventing them abusing other people's lives.

manike

 

[crom-dubh]

Ahh but you do give help and promise the earth then dont come up with the goods.
Also I think its a pretty naive veiw if you think that it is done just to be the good guys. Oil was the prime reason of the Gulf war, not the plight of the Kuwaitis. Its all politics mate not about saving the world.

By the way if you cannot do Sparklies on Sunday you are more than welcome to join us in our weekday drinkies.

 

[Inferno]

Terrorists do not hold the same set of morals as we do. As a result, we cannot fathom the atrocities they commit. To truly put an end to terrorist on a large scale we must do things that would normally make us sick.

Look at the way Israel handles terrorism. The people of Israel are always on their toes because they cannot afford to let down their guard. If they do they can almost guarantee that many lives will be lost. After Sep 11, many countries scrambled to increase security at their airports. Did Israel make any changes? No. They did not have to make any changes, because their security measures are so stringent that we would call them intrusive. If anything about you seems out of place, every piece of you luggage is searched, and you are questioned extensively. If they still feel something is not correct, they don’t let you on the plane. This shows one of their most effective weapons against terrorism is prevention.

Prevention is only half the battle. After the Munich Olympics we all know that the Israelis are capable of punishing terrorism to the fullest extent of their power. If you are not familiar with the incident, I will summarize: After the terrorist incident at the Munich Olympics, the Israeli government set up a covert task force to systematically track down and assassinate each of the terrorists involved. Their methods are somewhat brutal, but you must fight terrorism with the same ruthlessness of the terrorists. If we want to truly stamp out terrorism, we must strike fear in their hearts. That could prove difficult, because they believe God/Allah is on their side - but we must try.

 

[manike]

Unfortunately I do not think you will ever stop fanatics and fanaticism. Kill one and another who believes the first is a martyr will step into his shoes.

We need to guard against them and try to stop them where ever and however possible.

manike

 

[cjohns]

Originally posted by crom-dubh
Ahh but you do give help and promise the earth then dont come up with the goods.
Also I think its a pretty naive veiw if you think that it is done just to be the good guys. Oil was the prime reason of the Gulf war, not the plight of the Kuwaitis. Its all politics mate not about saving the world.

By the way if you cannot do Sparklies on Sunday you are more than welcome to join us in our weekday drinkies.

I never said the whole purpose of being there was to help, but that was part of it. In any war there are political reasons for starting it but there is compassion as well. I sure as hell don't want to save the world and I sure as hell don't want to be the worlds police but I am and that is my job. There are 1,000s of American Soldiers deployed in contries all over the world to protect the people of that country and to protect political ties as well. I guess that is why fires are lit in the asses of people like myself and Rooster for things people say about the American military and America in general.

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Originally posted by crom-dubh
Also I think its a pretty naive veiw if you think that it is done just to be the good guys. Oil was the prime reason of the Gulf war, not the plight of the Kuwaitis. Its all politics mate not about saving the world.

By the way if you cannot do Sparklies on Sunday you are more than welcome to join us in our weekday drinkies.

I know it was about the oil. Hell you think your Petrol prices are high now. Imagine if what they would be like if no one got involved! But in the same sense it was broadcasted across the US from Bush 1 that we were going it because Saddam was opressing the people of Kuwait.

Well if I get out of practice soon enough I am going to try and come down to the Pub Sunday afterwards.