Sorry Rooster but the US did DUMP on the kurds as well as the mujhadeen also the south vietnamese.
Prisoners of War, War Criminals or Terrorist???
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I don't know where you got your information from but I am affraid you are wrong. We Pulled out of SV due to the lack of support from the people of SV. If I remember right the US currently has a NO-Fly Zone over the part of IRAQ the Kurds inhibit! In the case of the Mujhadeen it is the same case I stated before they thought they had control and lost it!
The mujhadeen were promised a lot by the US and it didnt happen. Aid, medical supplies etc. The Kurds took a hell of a beating when the US persuaded them to rise up against Saddam, promised them troops, air support against tanks and the Iraqi airforce. The kurds believed this and tried to fight for their freedom and were massacared because at the last minute the US pulled out and forgot to tell the kurds.
One of Bin Ladens problems with the US was that he felt that the Afghans fought the Soviets for the US and were dumped as soon as they won. Their country was in tatters and nothing was done.
One of Bin Ladens problems with the US was that he felt that the Afghans fought the Soviets for the US and were dumped as soon as they won. Their country was in tatters and nothing was done.
Just incase you hadn't noticed I edited my last post...
In the case of the Kurds the US currently holds a NO-Fly zone over the Northern Part of IRAQ which the Kurds inhibit to prevent Suddam from dropping bombs on them. We even still to this date drop supplies to them. Why it isn't in the news??? Well because its OLD news.
Yes mate they do now but it doesnt change what happened before.
Look guys before this gets too heated I just want to say that I will buy you all a beer if you do come down to Sparklies.
Look guys before this gets too heated I just want to say that I will buy you all a beer if you do come down to Sparklies.
Originally posted by crom-dubh
Look guys before this gets too heated I just want to say that I will buy you all a beer if you do come down to Sparklies.
Heated???? That was the whole reason for my thread. People love to debate over things out of thier control. As for the beer well I would love to take you up on it, but Sparklie told us NO ZAP not ever! When your sponsor asks you to shoot ZAP you should do the political thing and shoot it. But Crom don't stop posting mate you are keeping me from falling asleep at work and giving me something to do!
The Kurds were again used as pawns by outside powers during the Persian Gulf war and consequently became many of that war's most tragic victims. In 1976, a US diplomat explained to Aaron Latham the rationale behind Washington's decision to aid the Kurds in 1972: "What we wanted, " he said, I 'was to destabilize the Iraqi government and topple Saddam Hussain. " The same rationale still operates today. In January 1991, President Bush reportedly gave secret orders authorizing the CIA to aid rebel factions inside Iraq. Later he urged Iraqi dissidents to "take matters into their own hands."
Once the war was over, however, the US and its allies refused all help to the rebellion they had helped to foment. In explaining why, Secretary of State James Baker said, "We are not prepared to go down the slippery slope of being sucked into a civil war. " In fact, the US-led alliance never favored the overthrow of the Iraqi government but wants instead a militarily weak Iraq, preferably without Saddam Hussain but otherwise under much the same leadership. An independent Kurdistan, or possibly even a democratic Iraq in which Kurds or the Shi'i Muslim majority assumed a leading role, is seen as potentially destabilizing to a region where democracy is virtually unknown and the redrawing of boundaries could open endless disputes.
This is a report by Rachelle Marshall ,a free-lance editor living in Stanford, CA.
Guys I have read a hell of a lot about Gulf war so I do know a little about it.
Once the war was over, however, the US and its allies refused all help to the rebellion they had helped to foment. In explaining why, Secretary of State James Baker said, "We are not prepared to go down the slippery slope of being sucked into a civil war. " In fact, the US-led alliance never favored the overthrow of the Iraqi government but wants instead a militarily weak Iraq, preferably without Saddam Hussain but otherwise under much the same leadership. An independent Kurdistan, or possibly even a democratic Iraq in which Kurds or the Shi'i Muslim majority assumed a leading role, is seen as potentially destabilizing to a region where democracy is virtually unknown and the redrawing of boundaries could open endless disputes.
This is a report by Rachelle Marshall ,a free-lance editor living in Stanford, CA.
Guys I have read a hell of a lot about Gulf war so I do know a little about it.
Yes
Yes I can see that you read things and that is good on your part, but you weren't there were you. You didn't see what really happened. All I am saying is that all you have to go by is what you read but you don't have the whole picture. Rooster was actually there and I am sure he can tell you more than what some freelance writer thought about it.
Yes I can see that you read things and that is good on your part, but you weren't there were you. You didn't see what really happened. All I am saying is that all you have to go by is what you read but you don't have the whole picture. Rooster was actually there and I am sure he can tell you more than what some freelance writer thought about it.
Actually I was in the Army when the gulf was on so I do know the picture. I have buckets of quotes about the Kurdish situation.
Also it is well known fact what the US did. he reason they enforce the no fly zone is because of the **** they got for pulling out at the last minute. Get ready for another quote.
But the suffering of the Kurds stood out from the others. This was not a natural catastrophe, but a man-made disaster, and one that had a special claim on the American conscience. It was America, after all, that had invaded Iraq and shaken loose the underpinnings of authority. It was America's president, George Bush, who, on February 15, called on the "Iraqi military and the Iraqi people" to rise up and "force Saddam Hussein . . . to step aside." It was President Bush who, on February 27, had ordered an abrupt cessation of hostilities, leaving the Iraqi dictator with enough armor and aircraft to put down Shiite and Kurdish uprisings. And, finally, it was the Bush administration that, after first warning the Iraqi regime not to use helicopter gunships against its own people, then stood by while they were used to strafe Kurds fleeing to the mountains in the north
Also it is well known fact what the US did. he reason they enforce the no fly zone is because of the **** they got for pulling out at the last minute. Get ready for another quote.
But the suffering of the Kurds stood out from the others. This was not a natural catastrophe, but a man-made disaster, and one that had a special claim on the American conscience. It was America, after all, that had invaded Iraq and shaken loose the underpinnings of authority. It was America's president, George Bush, who, on February 15, called on the "Iraqi military and the Iraqi people" to rise up and "force Saddam Hussein . . . to step aside." It was President Bush who, on February 27, had ordered an abrupt cessation of hostilities, leaving the Iraqi dictator with enough armor and aircraft to put down Shiite and Kurdish uprisings. And, finally, it was the Bush administration that, after first warning the Iraqi regime not to use helicopter gunships against its own people, then stood by while they were used to strafe Kurds fleeing to the mountains in the north