Players switching teams
- Thread starter Hatts
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Bully/Blakey...etc
I think the local tourney organisers, the likes of the Series events and the Masters events, need to address this as a serious issue if they want teams to respect their tournaments and treat them a little more seriously, otherwise the majority of teams will just go to them as a piss about which aint fair on the teams that do treat the events as the best things since....
Like I said earlier, the point sacrifice would be a good way of making it a bit more competitive for teams that use guest players on a regular basis.
Novice cards; in fact any bloody cards, does anyone know when we'll be getting our player cards that we payed for at the DMAz?? I presume we'll need to get our photos done at the next Millennium event we attend, Campaign in our case.
Eddepet: It's still amusing though when teams are playing the divisions but STILL walk away with f*k all. We ripped Kiss Cool at Campaign last year which made us feel reeeeeaaaalllll good.
I think the local tourney organisers, the likes of the Series events and the Masters events, need to address this as a serious issue if they want teams to respect their tournaments and treat them a little more seriously, otherwise the majority of teams will just go to them as a piss about which aint fair on the teams that do treat the events as the best things since....
Like I said earlier, the point sacrifice would be a good way of making it a bit more competitive for teams that use guest players on a regular basis.
Novice cards; in fact any bloody cards, does anyone know when we'll be getting our player cards that we payed for at the DMAz?? I presume we'll need to get our photos done at the next Millennium event we attend, Campaign in our case.
Eddepet: It's still amusing though when teams are playing the divisions but STILL walk away with f*k all. We ripped Kiss Cool at Campaign last year which made us feel reeeeeaaaalllll good.
Found another section in the Millennium rules on playing for teams, a section on Rosters (section 6.0).
Section 6.06 says all teams must submit complete rosters prior to play, and section 6.02 states that no player may appear on more than one roster. So it looks like the incident that Hatts asked about, which triggered this whole thread off in the first place, was in contravention of the rules.
By the way, some of you who played at the DMA/Mayhem may be interested in rule 3.19. Games will be scheduled so that there is a minimum of 45 minutes between start of any team's games.
Section 6.06 says all teams must submit complete rosters prior to play, and section 6.02 states that no player may appear on more than one roster. So it looks like the incident that Hatts asked about, which triggered this whole thread off in the first place, was in contravention of the rules.
By the way, some of you who played at the DMA/Mayhem may be interested in rule 3.19. Games will be scheduled so that there is a minimum of 45 minutes between start of any team's games.
Grrrrrr Kiss Cool, 2md game of last years Campaign, and after 30 seconds we were up summat like 6 on 3, and we still managed to loose 
Anyways, back to the point:
Millenium Series Rules (for whoever it was that asked, they are on the web at: http://www.millennium-series.com/rules/index.htm )
Section 6.0 - Rosters.
6.01 7 player teams can have up to 10 players on roster, but can only field 7 in any one game.
6.02 No player may appear on more than one seven player team roster
yadayada
6.06 All teams must submit complete rosters prior to play.
So in the millenium at least, you can only play for one team per tourney.
Local events however, it sucks to play a player down (especially when the team captain has to pay for the missing player) but is it fair when a team has to borrow a player from divisions way above where they are?
Probably not.
If there were some sort of penalty for playing with a player from a higher division, I'd be tempted to play every game as if one of my tape players had been shot from the break (I know, it doesn't quite work out just like that due to sweet-spotting from the break, but hey, close enough). Playing with 6 though, raises the cost considerably, which may mean the team have to drop out.
Maybe have some sort of penalty where you can still take the trophy on the day, but series points are forfeited.
But, would that be enough incentive to try and find an appropriate level player? For some teams, certainly, for others, who don't give a monkeys about anything but trophies, probably not.
And anyways, we need an effective player registration database and ID card thingies for all this to happen, something often talked about, but who has the time/money to put it into place?
Anyways, back to the point:
Millenium Series Rules (for whoever it was that asked, they are on the web at: http://www.millennium-series.com/rules/index.htm )
Section 6.0 - Rosters.
6.01 7 player teams can have up to 10 players on roster, but can only field 7 in any one game.
6.02 No player may appear on more than one seven player team roster
yadayada
6.06 All teams must submit complete rosters prior to play.
So in the millenium at least, you can only play for one team per tourney.
Local events however, it sucks to play a player down (especially when the team captain has to pay for the missing player
) but is it fair when a team has to borrow a player from divisions way above where they are?Probably not.
If there were some sort of penalty for playing with a player from a higher division, I'd be tempted to play every game as if one of my tape players had been shot from the break (I know, it doesn't quite work out just like that due to sweet-spotting from the break, but hey, close enough). Playing with 6 though, raises the cost considerably, which may mean the team have to drop out.
Maybe have some sort of penalty where you can still take the trophy on the day, but series points are forfeited.
But, would that be enough incentive to try and find an appropriate level player? For some teams, certainly, for others, who don't give a monkeys about anything but trophies, probably not.
And anyways, we need an effective player registration database and ID card thingies for all this to happen, something often talked about, but who has the time/money to put it into place?
Pah, beaten to it by Liz! Wow do I type slowly when I'm hungover! ( too all those who are at work right now!)
too all those who are at work right now!) 
I agree with most of the points there.. We've all been in that situation where we are a player or more down, and theres nothing worse than playing a man down.. So having guests is an essential part of the local tourney scene.. that's not a problem. The problem occurs when a lower division team gets 1 or more much higher division guests playing for them..
As Al said a few k2 players wiped up in a game against a much lower division team.. I've seen A division players play as a guest for an E division team and wipe out the whole team single handed..
so, what I think would be a Fair compromise would be for teams to only have guests from at most 1 division above them..
Problem is, as flash pointed out, the logistics of doing it.. I for one would be happy to pay a set fee at the start of the season for my Player ID Like the Millenium series..
As Al said a few k2 players wiped up in a game against a much lower division team.. I've seen A division players play as a guest for an E division team and wipe out the whole team single handed..
so, what I think would be a Fair compromise would be for teams to only have guests from at most 1 division above them..
Problem is, as flash pointed out, the logistics of doing it.. I for one would be happy to pay a set fee at the start of the season for my Player ID Like the Millenium series..
Hypothetical situation:
A bottom division team has a player pull out at the last minute due to something random, and the only spare player on the day is a top division pro player.
The bottom division team is pretty new, no sponsorship whatsoever, paying top dollar for their day's paintball, without a last player they cannot afford to play, and would have to drop out of the tourney.
Playing all day with a player of pro standards would be a huge benefit to their overall game, and wouldn't rob the other teams in the division of a game.
I'm not pretending to know what can be done about players playing in lower divisions, but I hope someone can come up with a solution. I think this is one of the major issues to be tackled before paintball can truly become a sport
I don;t think there's anything wrong with players guesting, if anything it shows good will and sportsmanship between teams; to lend out one of your players is a jolly good show what, but I do think to even things up a bit there should be some kind of points deduction scheme, I don't know how, perhaps it'd be a good challenge for some of the organisers to come up with some ideas on this one, after all they know what will or won't work right?
It would be wrong to say no to top players guesting because it works out good for the other teams moral and helps boost their skill levels a bit by learning tricks (not cheating) from these dudes.
It would be wrong to say no to top players guesting because it works out good for the other teams moral and helps boost their skill levels a bit by learning tricks (not cheating) from these dudes.
well i supose i had better put my opinion up her as somebody has put the clowns name up. 1 si i suppose u are the si that was a clown ? ( bad grapes ) also the si that was sponsered by 6 element home of 6e chicks ( more bad grapes ) the clown that played for the girls has played paintball for 6 months i think you have played for at least 5 years
the incident that hatts is on about is a clear breach of the rules in millenium tournys thats why the ultimate at dma was involved as the player had already played for another team at that event the team that he was trying to play for in the play offs was not short of players but wanted a better player to play.at series 2002 there are no such rules also the clowns are not a pro team and are ranked in the same div as the girls in millenium events if u want bully to change his rules he is always open to ideas but i hope u dont turn up at a tourny short handed because i am sure u would not want to borrow a player
the incident that hatts is on about is a clear breach of the rules in millenium tournys thats why the ultimate at dma was involved as the player had already played for another team at that event the team that he was trying to play for in the play offs was not short of players but wanted a better player to play.at series 2002 there are no such rules also the clowns are not a pro team and are ranked in the same div as the girls in millenium events if u want bully to change his rules he is always open to ideas but i hope u dont turn up at a tourny short handed because i am sure u would not want to borrow a player