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manike

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Baca, come and try living in this country for a while :)

You get sort of despondent about being ripped off, it happens so much it's getting beyond a joke. People are starting to revolt.

When in the USA they tried to raise fuel prices a fraction of what they are in the UK, you had riots and murders...! We haven't got to quite that level on the Music front yet...
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Originally posted by Philip
And for people who say filesharing is stealing, have you never recorded something off tv? Never recorded the radio? Its the same thing, just one step behind :)
No it isn't, not even close. Any idea how much radio stations have to pay in royalties in order to be allowed to air music? The loss of royalties is covered in that fee, besides which, there is an enormous loss of quality between broadcasting and recording.
Okay, here's what they are cracking down on: The people who come up with the file sharing software, and a lot of the so called internet radio stations that fling music onto the net without ever paying any royalties. They are NOT after you, me, and anybody else that has some music downloaded on their drives.
 

Calavera

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Maybe I didn't hear the full story then on those bunch of people in america who have been cracked down on.

How were they caught, was it a spot check?
Or were they playing music on internet radio stations or what?
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Danger, danger, danger--we are in threadjack territory

Originally posted by manike
1--Baca, come and try living in this country for a while :)

2--You get sort of despondent about being ripped off, it happens so much it's getting beyond a joke. People are starting to revolt.

3--When in the USA they tried to raise fuel prices a fraction of what they are in the UK, you had riots and murders...! We haven't got to quite that level on the Music front yet...
1--love to visit. Live there? I think not.
2--I've always thought you lot were revolting. Y'all are stuck between wanting what the gov't does for ya but objecting to the cost. I say throw the tea in the harbor.
3--the bulk of your petrol prices and our gasoline prices come by way of confiscatory added taxation, and we still retain some shadow of believing we're a free people. But I don't recall any murders over rising gas prices . . .
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
Pay no mind to me, kids. I just find it vaguely amusing that all y'all sorta honest folks are so well armed with self-justifying reasons why it's really okay.
Perhaps, one of these days, you might try being sorta honest with yourselves.
Fackin hell Paul, I hadn't realised we were in the presence of somebody so virtuous, I'm sooo glad my attempt at self-justification has amused you.
None of us are perfect mate and what you may see as an attempt at self-justification on my part was meant as an ironic declaration of hypocrisy...as I said, none of us are perfect !
 

Gyroscope

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Danger, danger, danger--we are in threadjack territory

Originally posted by Baca Loco

3--the bulk of your petrol prices and our gasoline prices come by way of confiscatory added taxation, and we still retain some shadow of believing we're a free people. But I don't recall any murders over rising gas prices . . .
It is argued in some quarters that we go to war over rising gas prices... that would be murder writ large.



On topic, though, yes downloading music that belongs to a record label (bought by that label at often great expense from the artist) without permission is theft.

All this indicates is what Simon already wrote about- there is a great gap in between moral consensus and legal consensus. The more divorced the two are, the closer you are to a government that needs to be overthrown. People never feel guilt about breaking laws. They only feel guilt about breaking their own moral rules. If society is lucky enough that one of those moral rules is "respect the common good and obey laws," than it has another useful member.

The difficulty with file sharing is that most people possess no intellectual property (funny, innit?), and so cannot identify with those who do. The most common degree of moral awareness, I think, requires some level of empathy. That is why people are always citing the "big, bad company". It isn't a real entity like you and me! What we are stealing is just sound! A non-person being robbed of their non-stuff? please. Way too abstract.

All property is impossible. All property is democratic. You only get to keep what the howling mob lets you keep.
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Originally posted by Robbo
Fackin hell Paul, I hadn't realised we were in the presence of somebody so virtuous, I'm sooo glad my attempt at self-justification has amused you.
None of us are perfect mate and what you may see as an attempt at self-justification on my part was meant as an ironic declaration of hypocrisy...as I said, none of us are perfect !
Pete, you're a hoot, dude.
Please note I directed my comments at the "kids" and whatever else you may be you ain't no kid.
Additionally, the whole rest of the thread is filled with rationales justifying downloading--which is what I was referring to. Nor am I a particular paragon of virtue, but then it doesn't take one to recognize the shortcomings in the arguments offered up in this thread, does it? :D :p
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
Pete, you're a hoot, dude.
Please note I directed my comments at the "kids" and whatever else you may be you ain't no kid.
Additionally, the whole rest of the thread is filled with rationales justifying downloading--which is what I was referring to. Nor am I a particular paragon of virtue, but then it doesn't take one to recognize the shortcomings in the arguments offered up in this thread, does it? :D :p
A hoot I am.....:)