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P2P Kazaa Law Suits

manike

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Originally posted by JoseDominguez
Maybe a few people like Manike would stop downloading (would you?) but the majority wouldn't. Most don't do it because of a greedy industry, tey do it because it's free.
JD, I don't download music currently so I can't say if I would stop. :D

Every track on my IPOD is from my CD collection and payed for, with the exception of a couple of Tom Lehrer tracks that I couldn't find to buy anywhere :D

I'm just playing devil's advocate here and can understand why it happens, and pointing out that their current actions of sueing is unlikely to solve the problem or be a realistic answer to the current enviroment.
 

JoseDominguez

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Originally posted by Sean
Say Jose,

You ever recorded a programme off the radio or tv? ;) :p :D
Not even similar is it..........programmes are aired to your home and you record them to watch later.......you've already payed for them, it's just convenience. I use Sky+ the broadcaster provides the recording service........even for pay per view (which is auto-wiped after it's been watched).
Sky+ is fully integrated with it's recording system.........so there is no question of copywrite theft. Burning it to DVD and redistributing would be.
I'm talking about you owning something that has cost you nothing, but cost someone else money to produce.
 

craigpil

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yer i heard about the court cases they traced the people using it by their IP address

if you are worried you can download Kazaa lite which keeps you IP address hidden

just type KAZAA LITE into a search engine
 

KillerOnion

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I just did a research project on this very topic for school, and lots of statements from the people involved indicated that:

1. Pay for downloading service would work best, they just haven't perfected it yet. They're not in any hurry to do anything new with it either. Make Kazaa a $10 a month service and this whole damn problem would be solved tomorrow, but human stupidity is what's running the scene instead of simple common sense.
2. Lost revenue figures b/c of downloaded music are 100% bulls**t. There is no way to prove that any of the additional music obtained by P2P would have been sold at all, or certainly not for the price asked. Music sales are a finicky thing, dependent on consumer preference, relative price, and what's being put out at the moment. So much of what's being put out right now, especially what's being pushed as big ticket items which the record companies invest heavily in promoting just simply SUCKS ROYAL DING DONG. They lose money when they push people to buy something and they refuse to fork it out in the volume they want. Why not be smarter and maybe tell the wanna be's and one hit wonders to take a hike and push a broom instead of a microphone like they should in the first place instead of making it the consumers' fault?
3. Anti competition litigation, which is what the record companies are doing, is just simply standard practice these days in corporate America. What to do when you need more money and don't like how the market is doing for/to you? Pick out the ripest target and sue someone! *coughGarnerscough* It's vastly unethical, but when you're throwing around multi million dollar figures daily, you think anyone cares about ethics anymore? Not your standard spit and polished, by the book top office mega nerds. If they have to haul out the legal hitman to make their buck go up...hell, if they even get the itch to do it on a whim, maybe even for their own morbid entertainment, you bet they've got the little briefcase toting scumbags on one touch speeddial in 10 seconds flat.

In short, they're not very good at understanding the market climate they're in and very incognizant of the short, simple solutions. Egos and resistance to change are the inhibiting factors of progress. They're not good at surviving in a mess they've largely made for themselves. Instead of wanting to run faster, they just want everyone else's legs cut off.
 

JoseDominguez

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Yes, but downloading copywrite material is theft right?
It's not yours, so you're stealing it. Simple as that. Justify it anyway they want......... is paintball kit fairly priced? hell no, so is nicking a marker you can't afford justified? Of course not, just copywrite theft isn't physical, so we can brush it under the carpet.
I shop around for my music, i can normally get it for £10 to £13, I don't think that's too bad.....
How much do you pay for a pint of beer, litre of petrol etc... etc.....
All over priced, but you don't go out and nick them do you.
If you want to make a stand, just boycott record buying, don't steal it, two wrongs don't make a right.
As for being on your high horses about price fixing.
What sport do you play? I suppose you play tournament. Ever had a nice cheap day with the punters?


Oh sorry, we don't talk about that do we.

Weird how no matter how well built/marshalled/resourced or how dangerous and shoddy..........it always seems to cost the same?