Indeed, and Infamous at World Cup were down by 6 points and came back to win. At one point it was 0-6! And Ended up 8-7 IIRC in their favour.
X-ball when played well gives teams time to adapt plays to the opposition and try new tactics.
Okay, on this whole reunification thing...
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X-ball when played well gives teams time to adapt plays to the opposition and try new tactics.
I reject the assumption that XBall is either "impractical" or not cost effective.
There are two ways to look at the cost of playing tournaments, based on what kind of team you have:
If you have a SELF-FUNDED team, where the costs are mostly carried by the players themselves, then XBall is definitely not expensive. It costs about the same for one guy to travel to and play a 7-man tournament as it does for one guy to travel to and play a X-Ball tournament. While there may be SLIGHTLY more cost for the XBall tournament (more paint), that cost is small when compared to paint+travel+food+lodging+beer, and also makes XBall much LESS expensive on a dollar/time basis.
If a team is being funded by a single sponsor, then XBall is definitely more expensive - but that's got nothing to do with the WAY it's played - it's just the number of players. So one way to make XBall "cheaper" is just cut the roster down to 12 players. Or maybe even 10. If basketball can get by with 12 guys, that shouldn't be a problem for XBall, as long as there's the same restriction for everybody.
There's also an investment perspective - XBall is going to be better on TV that 7-man, so even if it is more expensive now, you're going to want it later so you can get more non-paintball money. I talked to one of the college kids at Cup, and they've apparently moved to xball for college. I asked how they could afford it, and the answer was kinda surprising: The school pays for it. Maybe paintball teams just need to do a better job of getting money from places other than paintball companies.
There are two ways to look at the cost of playing tournaments, based on what kind of team you have:
If you have a SELF-FUNDED team, where the costs are mostly carried by the players themselves, then XBall is definitely not expensive. It costs about the same for one guy to travel to and play a 7-man tournament as it does for one guy to travel to and play a X-Ball tournament. While there may be SLIGHTLY more cost for the XBall tournament (more paint), that cost is small when compared to paint+travel+food+lodging+beer, and also makes XBall much LESS expensive on a dollar/time basis.
If a team is being funded by a single sponsor, then XBall is definitely more expensive - but that's got nothing to do with the WAY it's played - it's just the number of players. So one way to make XBall "cheaper" is just cut the roster down to 12 players. Or maybe even 10. If basketball can get by with 12 guys, that shouldn't be a problem for XBall, as long as there's the same restriction for everybody.
There's also an investment perspective - XBall is going to be better on TV that 7-man, so even if it is more expensive now, you're going to want it later so you can get more non-paintball money. I talked to one of the college kids at Cup, and they've apparently moved to xball for college. I asked how they could afford it, and the answer was kinda surprising: The school pays for it. Maybe paintball teams just need to do a better job of getting money from places other than paintball companies.
Ok - so call the number 8
Point was not if it is 4, 6 or 8 - but that it has that quality.
Nick
I actually like the progressive concept of a variation of Lite with more matches in the lower divisions leading up to full on NXL-style Xball at the Pro level. Despite Nick's objections the games would be played the same and require the same basic skill sets.
What I would like to see done differently is a new conception of Xball field design as EVERY field has the same keys.
A lot of people have mentioned that x-ball is cheaper per minute. I'm not denying this as i haven't seen the figures, but the way people are putting their calculations across seems flawed to me. They talk about the total cost of an hour of X-ball playing time being more than an hour of 7-man playing time, but that it is shared between more players making it cheaper per player. In order to make this a fair comparision, shouldn't you also factor in that the field time is also shared out between more players, in effect reducing the amount of ball the player gets for his money.
Perhaps people have been taking this into account but just not making it explicit in their comments?
Perhaps people have been taking this into account but just not making it explicit in their comments?
I think tha people who are talking about this are, for tha most part, sponsors and team owners, who pay for everything, so their costs actually go up massively for X - more flights, more rooms, more paint etc.
TJ,
I tried to make that statement in an earlier post but got shouted down.
I only do event paint and some gear for my guys, but supposing that I did everything:
7 man - ten player roster vs Xball 15 player roster:
10 plane tickets vs 15
2 hotel rooms per nite vs 3
12 guns vs 18 guns
12 masks vs 18 masks
12 tanks vs 18 tanks
20 meals per day vs 45 meals per day
30 custom jersies vs 45 custom jersies
and on and on.
the x-ball usess less paint argument flies in the face of practice paint usage: while at an event, only 7 or 5 players are using paint at a time, during practice, all players are using paint, so the paint budget for practice is AT LEAST 50% greater for x-ball.
Its just ridiculous to try to claim that x-ball is less expensive.
I tried to make that statement in an earlier post but got shouted down.
I only do event paint and some gear for my guys, but supposing that I did everything:
7 man - ten player roster vs Xball 15 player roster:
10 plane tickets vs 15
2 hotel rooms per nite vs 3
12 guns vs 18 guns
12 masks vs 18 masks
12 tanks vs 18 tanks
20 meals per day vs 45 meals per day
30 custom jersies vs 45 custom jersies
and on and on.
the x-ball usess less paint argument flies in the face of practice paint usage: while at an event, only 7 or 5 players are using paint at a time, during practice, all players are using paint, so the paint budget for practice is AT LEAST 50% greater for x-ball.
Its just ridiculous to try to claim that x-ball is less expensive.
People are talking apples and oranges here.
You MIGHT say that X-Ball is cheaper per minute a player gets on field.
But that is hardly relevant to anyone..... when the problem is that X-ball is much more costly for the player in terms of expenditure, gametime notwithstanding.
The extra minutes gametime do little for a player, when he looks at the complete budget for an event and say "I can't afford it".
X-Ball is also more costly for teams in terms of total paint budget. - Again per player/minute it might be cheaper than 7-man (I don't know).... but it has little relevance when the team surpasses its paint budget for the year in the middle of June.
We DID X-Ball in Europa last year, and for EVERY team it was the same: more expensive.
We may have gotten more gametime (more bang for the buck) - but that does not help pay the rent, electricity bill, car payments, or whatever else each individual has to care for in his everyday life.
I say again: Make a format that has some "longevity" (like X-Ball) - but is cost efficient to a point where ANY team can take part - no matter what level..... this sport needs ONE format... not one format for the rich and another for the poor.
Nick
You MIGHT say that X-Ball is cheaper per minute a player gets on field.
But that is hardly relevant to anyone..... when the problem is that X-ball is much more costly for the player in terms of expenditure, gametime notwithstanding.
The extra minutes gametime do little for a player, when he looks at the complete budget for an event and say "I can't afford it".
X-Ball is also more costly for teams in terms of total paint budget. - Again per player/minute it might be cheaper than 7-man (I don't know).... but it has little relevance when the team surpasses its paint budget for the year in the middle of June.
We DID X-Ball in Europa last year, and for EVERY team it was the same: more expensive.
We may have gotten more gametime (more bang for the buck) - but that does not help pay the rent, electricity bill, car payments, or whatever else each individual has to care for in his everyday life.
I say again: Make a format that has some "longevity" (like X-Ball) - but is cost efficient to a point where ANY team can take part - no matter what level..... this sport needs ONE format... not one format for the rich and another for the poor.
Nick