NSPL Air Last Sunday!

[hyperlite]

People This Was Brought To Syds Attention Just After Lunch And Our Concerns Were Just Brushed Off !!!


Be Under No Illusions Syd Knew What Was Going On.

The Compressor Was Sitting In A Pool Of Oil/water Or God Knows What !


Not To Mention Three Of Our Markers Going Over 300 In One Game Yet They Were Crono'd Fine At The Start ???

D

 

[Dark Warrior]

People This Was Brought To Syds Attention Just After Lunch And Our Concerns Were Just Brushed Off !!!


Be Under No Illusions Syd Knew What Was Going On.

The Compressor Was Sitting In A Pool Of Oil/water Or God Knows What !


Not To Mention Three Of Our Markers Going Over 300 In One Game Yet They Were Crono'd Fine At The Start ???

D

In the interest of fairness this point was raised on the NSPL site and this is the reaponse

To clarify...

So if the filters were changed how was the system POSSIBLY be pumping OIL deposits into peoples tanks???

Any contaminents would have been in the storage tank - the compressor was pumping clean air.

Syd we made you well aware of this problem just after lunch and you brushed off our concerns

I was aware of the issue as I was continually monitoring the air system throughout the event. I was confident that the residue contaminents were water and that the fills were safe. You will have noticed that the fill station delivered a 3K fill very very slowly, ensuring no high bottle temperatures.
This measure is purely precautionary and the sensible, right thing to do considering the circumstances and likelyhood that some players air bottles will be filled in the future on systems/dive tanks/etc will little or no flow control.
Air fills are a sensitive issue right now and rightly so. The industry and players are becoming more aware of the potential dangers and this is a good thing; a great step forward for ensuring everyone contributes to ensuring safe practice. I have personally witnessed dirty air fills at numerous locations in the past and whilst this does not justify them, it does show that with this announcement and action in response to Sunday's event, the NSPL is being completely open and setting good example on dealing with any possible safety issues regarding air fill delivery.

Your point about markers - I have seen markers left on the floor in the sunlight for ten mins whilst waiting for a game do exactly the same thing. You may be correct, but what you have said is not conclusive just speculative

 

[hyperlite]

Do You Want To See The Pics Of What Came Out Of Our Markers ?

I ASSUME YOU WERE THERE ?

 

[YourMUM]

Not To Mention Three Of Our Markers Going Over 300 In One Game Yet They Were Crono'd Fine At The Start ??? D

ok to this point of the hot guns.

1 all guns where chronographed in the morning session, in the afternoon 2 to 3 guns from each team where chequed and every player was told that they could crono on field.

we only used 1 crono to cheque end shot. we had 5 HOT end shot guns 4 Eteck 2 and 1 shocker. the 4 etecks where on 1 team and where new guns.


on the second and 3rd time this happened, I chequed the guns on the red crono and hand held. the guns where close and 1 was hot?.

i read nothing in to this, this is how it happened, was the compressor to blame ?? ask planet

 

[spreadz07]

Im glad someone posted up that Syd was told because I knew he was told and didnt want to say in case people said I was pointing the finger. If I was pointing the finger I think I have more right than anyone to do so as being on the end of a tank/reg exploding. The thing that annoys me is I was stood talking to people right by the fill station on numourous occasions. Tendering had problems with velocity and asked me about it. I just put it down to the reg not being seated and thought nothing more of it until I had a phone call that night. I PM'd Paul as soon as I heard to let him know what I had been told. I heard from the phone call (a reliable source with NO malice towards the NSPL) that their markers were stripped and one of them had a substance poured from the front reg and all 5 markers had a substance present. The person who rang me text Syd on Monday night to tell him then this post turns up on the NSPL on Tuesday. Coincidence??? Would it had been posted if Syd wasnt text by someone?
Now I am not pointing the finger and some of you may know that me and Syd dont get on all the time but anything aside THIS IS PEOPLES LIVES we are messing with here. He was told during the day and he wiped the QD with a cloth and shrugged his shoulders. THE DAY SHOULD OF BEEN CANCELLED AS A SAFETY MEASURE. NO IFS NO BUTS!!! Now some of the people who were playing are playing this weekend at the Freekz and have NO time to get bottles checked. Does this mean if they use them they are going to endanger everyone else who attends. If my tank was contaminated by oil being transferred, will it happen again now? I want to play this weekend but would only feel safe if I had my own compressor and fill rig, just in case.
Either way you look at this it is a crap situation for everyone and I for one think I have a right to feel a little bit p1ssed as as far as I am concerned whether it water or oil THE DAY SHOULD OF BEEN CANCELLED!
Just offering a service is not enough as like I have said before, would those at fault been so eager to pay funeral expenses if god for bid something did happen?
Nige

 

[Dark Warrior]

Do You Want To See The Pics Of What Came Out Of Our Markers ?

I ASSUME YOU WERE THERE ?

Again I will play Devils Advocate here

No I was not there but forum readers have the right to see both sides of the story. I have no issue with you as you were there and have your opinions on what happened, but in the interest of fairness then Syd's response has a right to be aired too

 

[hyperlite]

Very true, but my point here is this matter is serious and was made clear to Syd and he took no action other the wiping the end of of the fill rig with a piece of paper cloth !

We just want to play paintball and be safe thats all

 

[Lucky]

I'm not pointing any accusation here at all but need to raise a question.
As part of my job i service some "low" pressure compressors (150psi) and am fully aware of the need for the oil separator filters to be replaced at regular intervals. Now in 20 odd years of doing this i've yet to come across a customer that has a spare filter laying around, So "How come the organisers had one at the event to enable it to be changed"?
Like i say i'm not pointing fingers but they'd be the first end user in 20 years that carried expensive spare filters just in case, which is why i'd raise the question, but if they were just fully prepared then good for them, it's just i've never seen it before.

 

[Dark Warrior]

I would assume that due to the fact that contaminates in high pressure systems can cause a catastrophic failure, is safer to carry a spare just in case. Cheaper to have a spare filter than repair the possible damage.

 

[H_PAC]

Contaminated air comments from HPAC

Hi guys this is Trevor and Tim from HPAC,
first of all well done to Sid for this thread but a couple of things need to be put into perspective, if the filter was found to be faulty before the event then anybody who filled from that machine whilst defective filter was installed could have a contaminated system not just the players on that day.
We have experienced first hand the results of a cylinder fire when a player added oil and then carrierd on filling so we want to make sure we are safe, whilst we gaureentee the cleanliness of our air and have a air purity certificate at every event to prove the cleanliness being supplied, anyone that has filled from a contaminated system is at risk even when filling at a latter date from a dive tank or clean air system.
Do you realise some cylinders have the standard of cleanliness of the air with which they are being filled, its breathing air standard and any water or oil is not good.
What should have happened is that upon realising there was a problem was that filter was changed and system cleaned and the purged untill air was dry and oil free, then carry out a air test from the end source ie after the storage.
Sid was not to know this but should have been told by his air supply company.
Lastly to put peoples minds at rest on our artic trailer that is used at all major events we have a continious air quality monitoring system and Bauer have been supplying this facility as an option for many years and it was supplied on our equipment which we have used for the last 5 years, our machines are plc controlled and will not run if the filters require changing, so its good sid is having a monitoring it but its not new on the scene.
If anybody is in any doubt get your cylinders and regs checked as you have a responsability to your fellow player and if there was a explosion and people hurt from contaminates you are responsable and liable, Sid has brought it to your attention but in doing so has has lessened his liabilitys and increased yours.
These incidents seem to be more common place, so why dont you ask to see a purity certificate before you fill your £1000 air system and be safe.
On a operators note, operate the drains to remove moisture and change your filters at the reccomended intervals and all will be good.

Trev Tim

HPAC the first and leaders in air supply for Paintball,

(references supplied on application no problem no bull****)