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As with so many things there is reason and there is politics.

Reason would probably tell most teams at all levels to give the new NPPL Super 7 a try because they are promising all the things that have been missing or at least inconsistent at PSP events. Namely, quality venues, consistently good reffing and adequate facitlities. Then there is the 7-player format which has obvious advantages, even if I personally prefer playing 10-player. There is no confusion or self-competition with 5-player. the backing of a company known for quality and player service: WDP, and the added advantage of being part of the high-quality European Millennium Series.

Politics will probably prevail even if it goes against reason. If it becomes clear that most teams will continue to attend PSP events then it might force failure on the new NPPL. There is a definite herd instinct in paintball.

Most teams, apart from those who can afford and will be invited to join the X-ball competition, will have a tough time deciding which series to attend and will have a tough time getting practiced-up and prepared because their local scrimmage teams may not choose the same league.

Tough but exciting times! Whatever the outcome one thing is for sure: competition is good. If the new NPPL is at all viable it will force PSP to improve the quality of their venues, vendor set-ups, facilities--such as bleachers, toilets, etc.--quality of judging and prize packages.

May the best provider of quality tournaments win, although--again--politics will decide more than quality alone. Unfortunately.

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Honestly....

NPPL has a huge advantage in 7-man over 10-man. Getting those 3 extra players makes a HUGE difference. Think of all the 10-man teams who can get rid of the guys they don't like but have been having to deal with because they needed 10. ;)

"Uhm, yeah, we don't really want to cut you, but the team has decided to play 7-man. No hard feelings, honest." Most 10-man teams are probably down to 7 due to reguar inter-season attrition anyway.


Course, X Ball rocks too. I need to find myself an X Ball team. ;)


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But Chris

Remember that Richmond owns X-Ball, not PSP...and in thoery X-Ball can piggyback whatever series it wants. And if NPPL has best venues, spectators etc. then Richmond can always pick up his baby and move it...don't think you'd see Chuck complaining if 8 - 10 Xteams needed to play alongside his events...
 
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Well, to be technical...

Richmond has trademark rights to the name X-Ball. You can play it whenever and wherever you want. It's not like he patented it or anything (coughstevedavidsoncough) and if he had, you can rest assured that the colleges would not be supporting it.

We need a format that we can play without any accountability to a third party and that we can muck with the rules as we see fit. (Keep the same prevailing principles, but maybe different details, like college and professional football.) If the colleges decide we want 2 minute timeouts instead of 3, or want halves instead of quarters (or quarters instead of halves), we have to be able to make those changes if we decide that's what's best for the league. The NCPA is probably the only organization in paintball that DOESN'T have anyone from the industry involved in running it, and we'd like to keep it that way. I have a tough enough time looking good in just ONE hat. ;)

On the PSP front though, it's not just Richmond - the league is owned by the franchisees. Absolutely necessary for the league to work, but also means there's 8 (or 10) interests who have equal say as to what is done. If 7 of them are PSP promoters who want X Ball exclusively at PSP events, then chances are that's what will go down.


Anyway, I wasn't trying to say he couldn't, or wouldn't, I was saying it would be a shame if the two advances were kept apart. I would sincerely hope everyone found a way to get all of the necessary advances happening together.

I'm NPPL and PSP/X Ball can survive separately. Hell, I'm sure they can do well separately. But I really doubt either is capable of making any significant advancement as far as paintball as a sport is concerned alone.



Now, if you really want a fun question, take what I said about X Ball not being ready to survive on its own yet, and couple that with college paintball starting to have some X Ball traffic, and tell me how we're thinking about solving the problem of needing something to support the X Ball. I bet you'll never guess. ;) (Oh, and I'm not telling either. ;))


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But Chris

Originally posted by TJ 2
Remember that Richmond owns X-Ball, not PSP...and in thoery X-Ball can piggyback whatever series it wants. And if NPPL has best venues, spectators etc. then Richmond can always pick up his baby and move it...don't think you'd see Chuck complaining if 8 - 10 Xteams needed to play alongside his events...
Whaddayasay TJ, Chris,

Do you think NPPL and PSP will mutually exclude one another, that is most of the big boys will go one way leaving the other with big losses, or do you think both will get a fair degree of attendence? In other words is making plans like buying advance-purchase tickets for one of the first events a big risk? Will this sort out at the last minute?

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raehl

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Honestly...

I really have no idea. My best guess at this point is that both leagues will do quite well as long as they don't insist on scheduling same-weekend-same-location. Beyond that, geography will be the deciding factor. I'm sure there will be no shortage of teams wanting to try NPPL, and I'm sure there will be no shortage of teams who want to still play 10-man, see X Ball, etc.


One interesting point here that no one has brought up yet is that WDP pays Bill's salary. I think that will necessitate different event dates, as it looks like WDP doesn't plan on leaving PSP either, so to move forward on unbiased reffing in both leagues, separate dates will be a necessity.


What I'd really like to see, and what could be possible if NPPL does really plan on having a complete schedule by December, is something I alluded to in another thread: Paint companies throwing inserts in their paint advertising the end-of-season event to people who don't normall check the internet or read paintball mags. There's a lot of them, and if someone can find a way to tap that 80% of the paintball market, they'll be making great strides towards the future.


I'd also like to throw in a quick disclaimer here - this is all just based on what I've seen public, I really have no clue what's going on on the "inside". Go to Robbo or TJ for that shiznitz, and then I'll tell you it's wrong. ;)


- Chris
 

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Honestly...

Originally posted by raehl
I really have no idea. My best guess at this point is that both leagues will do quite well as long as they don't insist on scheduling same-weekend-same-location. Beyond that, geography will be the deciding factor. I'm sure there will be no shortage of teams wanting to try NPPL, and I'm sure there will be no shortage of teams who want to still play 10-man, see X Ball, etc.
One interesting point here that no one has brought up yet is that WDP pays Bill's salary. I think that will necessitate different event dates, as it looks like WDP doesn't plan on leaving PSP either, so to move forward on unbiased reffing in both leagues, separate dates will be a necessity.
I'd also like to throw in a quick disclaimer here - this is all just based on what I've seen public, I really have no clue what's going on on the "inside". Go to Robbo or TJ for that shiznitz, and then I'll tell you it's wrong. ;)
- Chris

Chris, WDP will be having no more to do with PSP I'm afraid Chris :)
And there's a story to be told but I just can't :)

One point that was made to me last night by Lane Wright and that was that a lot of the teams who play PSP did so because the likes of SC, Aftershock and so on validated that tournament and teams had a chance of playing against them.
Well, since the inception of X-Ball, other teams are not going be able to play against them anymore.
Will this have any real effect ?
Will the likes of Bad Company, Dynasty, Avalanche and some others be enough to fill that gap in the proposed 7-Man ?
The promise of a better tournament, the location they get and much more will I think provide a real problem for the PSP in trying to hang on to all their teams, how much of a problem, we will have to see.
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So what's the second league they refer to?

Millenium? Or did us college folk just pick up a sponsor I didn't know about? ;)


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So what's the second league they refer to?

Originally posted by raehl
Millenium? Or did us college folk just pick up a sponsor I didn't know about? ;)


- Chris

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What second league who referred to ?
 
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In the WDP release, or coverage, or whatever...

“We will not be diluting our energies by supporting two series in 2003 and the NPPL Super 7’s is moving in the direction we feel Paintball needs to go."

It occurs to me that I was reading that optimistically as opposed to the more pessimistic view of the statement I should have taken. I thought they were defending themselves supporting more than one league by saying supporting NPPL was important, not saying NPPL was so important that they'd only be sponsoring NPPL. Rereading it, I'd agree that the second appears to be the case.


Very interesting.


- Chris