Not strictly pball but given last night's events...

[Hotpoint]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, you've got to stop reading--

Originally posted by Baca Loco

Which is why the Antman is no doubt happy to wait, what, 15-18 months for his knee surgery?

Your conception of military spending is positively cartoonish.

And how good would American medical treatment be if you only spent the same proportion of GDP upon it? Check the numbers it's about half as much. If we doubled the NHS budget waiting queues would be much shorter

Cartoonish? And there I was believing that Boeing gained a competitive advantage over Airbus because of large scale military orders like the F-22 subsidising their operation. Please demonstrate that Military Spending does not create any jobs because if it does then it's a form of Keynsian intervention in that it uses taxation to stimulate the economy (albeit not always intentionally)

How often do you hear about Senators or Congressmen campaigning/lobbying for the miltary to adopt a specific weapon system which just happens to be manufactured in their constituency?

 

[Baca Loco]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, you've got to stop reading--

Originally posted by Hotpoint


1--And how good would American medical treatment be if you only spent the same proportion of GDP upon it? Check the numbers it's about half as much. If we doubled the NHS budget waiting queues would be much shorter

2--Cartoonish? And there I was believing that Boeing gained a competitive advantage over Airbus because of large scale military orders like the F-22 subsidising their operation. Please demonstrate that Military Spending does not create any jobs because if it does then it's a form of Keynsian intervention in that it uses taxation to stimulate the economy (albeit not always intentionally)

How often do you hear about Senators or Congressmen campaigning/lobbying for the miltary to adopt a specific weapon system which just happens to be manufactured in their constituency?

1--good one, that! Nice try.
2--won't argue the specifics but in the world of "pork barrel" politics military portions of the equation are minor. As to Keynsian economics you need to try reading somebody with an IQ in triple digits. (No wonder you people pay 60-70% in total taxation and think the government spending your money is OK with year long waits for necessary medical treatment makes good sense.)

 

[Hotpoint]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, you've got to stop reading--

Originally posted by Baca Loco

1--good one, that! Nice try.
2--won't argue the specifics but in the world of "pork barrel" politics military portions of the equation are minor. As to Keynsian economics you need to try reading somebody with an IQ in triple digits. (No wonder you people pay 60-70% in total taxation and think the government spending your money is OK with year long waits for necessary medical treatment makes good sense.)

Not so much a nice try as an indisputable fact. Spend twice as much per head = better health care (assuming even a mild degree of efficiency in spending)

I'm not arguing the relative importance of military spending in "Pork Barrel" rather the fact it exists and is a form of government spending that creates jobs. With the US military budget $100 Billion more than the combined EU countries that means an awful lot of American jobs being dependent upon military contracts

Please feel free to recommend the Economist of your choice. My preference is for Adam Smith as a rule but any serious economist will admit that Keynes, Hayek and even Marx all make some valid points

Dragging our off-topic discussion off-topic, IQ is a very poor way to measure intelligence. Mine scored out in the 150's but I've met people with lower quotients who are far better than me at other mental skills such as mastering languages or art/design

 

[le-pig]

Originally posted by Quayler
Oh dear somebody spat the dummy and threw teddy out of the pram!

that Van piper bloke is obviously very clever and sneaky but fair play to him he played within the rules of the game, which is something saddam and Osama are unlikely to do as proved with 9/11

I just shows that if a bloke is clever enough and mental enough the amount of trouble he can cause a "superpower"

Lets hope for the worlds sake that people like Saddam and Osama are put to a stop ASAP.

I think I'll up the work rate on my top secret underground nuclear shelter hiding place thingy.

then again that sounds a bit much like hard work, maybe i'll just go to the pub instead

im a profeshinal(scuse spelling half cut again ) leadworker if u want a hand dude

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Hotpoint
1--Not so much a nice try as an indisputable fact. Spend twice as much per head = better health care (assuming even a mild degree of efficiency in spending)

2--I'm not arguing the relative importance of military spending in "Pork Barrel" rather the fact it exists and is a form of government spending that creates jobs. With the US military budget $100 Billion more than the combined EU countries that means an awful lot of American jobs being dependent upon military contracts

3--Please feel free to recommend the Economist of your choice. My preference is for Adam Smith as a rule but any serious economist will admit that Keynes, Hayek and even Marx all make some valid points

4--IQ is a very poor way to measure intelligence. Mine scored out in the 150's

1--so where's the efficiency in waiting bleeding 12 months for a simple, these days, surgery? And if your spending is so efficient where's the rest of your tax money going?--apparently not to the military. Keeping the trains running on time?
2--which isn't a reason to tout government spending as it creates "artificial" responses within the economy and is actually problematic, but necessary to one measure or another. (and of course the fact we are spending that much means you lot can rail all day long about us knowing full well your secure because of us. Good deal for you, I'd have thought.) (So where does your tax money go?)
3--most of the Chicago School are moderately competent.
4--sorry about that. Bit low, what?

 

[Little Jon]

i never new paintballers were so educated, as far as i am concerned america is a bog place with lotso' paintballing places with some ape look alike president standing in for aliens that have taken over.

hhmmmmm where is that capsule?

 

[Little Jon]

Originally posted by Stealthknight
i never new paintballers were so educated, as far as i am concerned america is a bog place with lotso' paintballing places with some ape look alike president standing in for aliens that have taken over.

hhmmmmm where is that capsule?

yer it was actually meant to say BIG but oh well still the same

 

[Hotpoint]

Originally posted by Baca Loco

1--so where's the efficiency in waiting bleeding 12 months for a simple, these days, surgery? And if your spending is so efficient where's the rest of your tax money going?--apparently not to the military. Keeping the trains running on time?
2--which isn't a reason to tout government spending as it creates "artificial" responses within the economy and is actually problematic, but necessary to one measure or another. (and of course the fact we are spending that much means you lot can rail all day long about us knowing full well your secure because of us. Good deal for you, I'd have thought.) (So where does your tax money go?)
3--most of the Chicago School are moderately competent.
4--sorry about that. Bit low, what?

Baca please stop attacking things I didn't actually say. It just makes you look like you're not reading my posts properly... and that's Robbo's forte

I never said the NHS is efficient (it's not) I said that if we doubled the percentage of GDP we spent on Healthcare (to match your levels) our standards would be higher too.

Keynesian pump-priming does indeed cause disruptions within an economy but it does have it's benefits too. No system is perfect, Lasse-Faire economics in the US has led to higher growth rates than Europe but also far more people below the poverty line

The largest share of UK Government expenditure is Social Security (over £70 Billion the last time I looked). To American eyes it may seem a waste of taxpayers money to help the poor and unemployed but to the majority over here it seems the moral choice

Your preference for the Neo-Classical Chicago School is not entirely unexpected Just remember they're only replaying Adam Smith without his admission that somethings are not best left to the market. In the Wealth of Nations Smith admited that certain things ( for example transport infrastructure and education) should remain the province of Government

No economy is perfect Baca. They all have deep flaws and we just choose the one with the defects we are personally most prepared to accept

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Stealthknight
i never new paintballers were so educated

Yeah, I'm very edumecated.

This thread has gone from what could be the prelude to armageddon, to a discussion of the pros and cons of those who follow John Maynard Keynes, and the Monetarists....I thought I left that stuff behind when I finished my business econimics studies....

 

[Hotpoint]

Originally posted by Buddha 3

This thread has gone from what could be the prelude to armageddon, to a discussion of the pros and cons of those who follow John Maynard Keynes, and the Monetarists

Sorry Everybody. For some reason Baca and I seem to find it hard not to go off-topic and argue with each other.

Politics, history, economics... you name it we'll hijack it