New 15bps ramping rule
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with what you are stating above, and what you have said in earlier posts. i think the PSP, if what you say is correct, is the only league that has an insurance policy worth having, cos even with that poxy robot, a great percentage of markers are fully illegal (both tournament rules wise and also firearms laws wise!) cos they pass the robot, but then modes are selectable means that its a complete waste of time!
what did you get last season with a full auto gun? a tournament ban! woopy doo! the fact that the guy in question has mowed down 4 teams before being caught is a worthwhile risk!
the only way to even the field and have any control of what people do in the game is to cap bps, keep the semi auto only by all means, but dont kid yourself that you are ever gonna catch the software hidden cheats! and thus run tournaments with actual insurance that covers the markers being used!
That is one of the issues we have to address and the reason we want the leagues to adopt the PA rules, it is better for the leagues, better for the players, and much better for the refs. The simple fact is the PSP and NPPL are being kept informed about this and I suspect whatever we end up with we will all do it together.
Russ
Diablo666, you've obviously missed the main reason this particular ruling is being proposed - there is NO current method of determining a ramping marker vs. one being shot very fast in true semi mode. Refs can't be sure they are testing the marker in the same mode it was in during a game as it's so easy to change modes e.g. with a pre-programmed set of shots in a particular rhythm.
At present any muppet with a bulging wallet CAN buy a marker with the necessary chipset, and get away with it ramping up to 20 or more bps. If you play tournament at the moment, you're pretty sure to have faced up to a marker like this whether you knew it or not.
I don't see why markers won't be able to have selectable modes i.e PA rules mode, semi only etc....
Maybe its is time we approached the manufacturers them selves and say to them that we have a problem, and there is a need for all thieir markers to come with sealed, tamper proof boards? then a quick opening of the marker would verify alot of whats going wrong.
It is a bit of a 'pipe dream' admittedly as we have so many markers out their in circulation that will be used for several years to come, but if we want to catch the out and out cheats, what other suggestions are there?
The other problem is the behaviour of some manufacturers in what they give to their top teams to give them the edge, which is known sometimes to be less than 'standard'
If we had a rule about using manufactures sealed boards that are approved by the respective series/leagues, then they may sit up and look, if players can't use your markers to play tourneys, they aren't going to buy them.
As I say mostly pipe dream, but a solution perhaps?
Back on topic though, is ther no way of reading a board to dicover the programming which would tell you whats it is capable of?
It is a bit of a 'pipe dream' admittedly as we have so many markers out their in circulation that will be used for several years to come, but if we want to catch the out and out cheats, what other suggestions are there?
The other problem is the behaviour of some manufacturers in what they give to their top teams to give them the edge, which is known sometimes to be less than 'standard'
If we had a rule about using manufactures sealed boards that are approved by the respective series/leagues, then they may sit up and look, if players can't use your markers to play tourneys, they aren't going to buy them.
As I say mostly pipe dream, but a solution perhaps?
Back on topic though, is ther no way of reading a board to dicover the programming which would tell you whats it is capable of?
Nope - they hide the programming very carefully so their code can't be reverse engineered and stolen by other manufacturers.
BTW, don't forget that in the biggest market in the world i.e. the USA the majority of markers aren't sold for use in tournaments, they are mostly for walk ons. Walk ons want that extra "edge" and will buy anything that is legal to get it. I know marker manufacturers could do "tournament" and "walk on" editions of each marker, but then you're back to being able to check which version it is and which chip has been installed by the owner.
Why should the rule be changed to adopt to a 15 bps cap, why not make auto modes illegal all together? thus meaning everybody plays fairly, coz like although there is a 15bps cap, people are still going to go over the limit, purposely or accidentally, therefore if u make the auto boards illegal everybody has the same playin method, and no1 has advantage over any1 else (except when they have faster fingers - practise on ur other half all u slow people ;o))
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Auto modes are currently illegal, so therfore they aren't in use right? wrong! Ramping modes can be programed onto chips and are completly undetectable. Thus wy this rule change is (hopefully) coming into effect. It brings about an enforceable rule.
... ever get the feeling there's an echo in here mate?Originally posted by Collier
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Auto modes are currently illegal, so therfore they aren't in use right? wrong! Ramping modes can be programed onto chips and are completly undetectable. Thus wy this rule change is (hopefully) coming into effect. It brings about an enforceable rule.