New 15bps ramping rule

[sjt19]

Originally posted by sjt19

Firstly, employing the 15bps cap/selected ramp allowed to combat gun cheats would imply that the PA had a huge problem with ramping guns last season. Did it? Russ or Hatts, what percentage of players do you think had cheat modes on their guns?

Hatts, please answer the above quote

This post, and the one above, is not a dig at the PA< as i think that you guys should be congratulated for making an effort to combat cheats. I just think that there are other ways to enfore the current rules rather than allowing assisted ramping.

The NPPL have a far greater problem with gun cheats, but they are not employing 15bps assisted shooting.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by sjt19
The NPPL have a far greater problem with gun cheats, but they are not employing 15bps assisted shooting.

And the practical result is, that for all the talk and all the "good intentions", they aren't doing anything that will make a real difference. It's all whitewash and lip service. Is that what you want from the PA?
Seems to me as one of The 18 you would be interested in a fair competitive environment and less worried about the horror 15 bps will bring down upon the poor average UK baller who simply can't handle it. Who knows, a 15 bps cap might actually force players to learn to play and then they'd be in a position to give you some competition for your spot.

 

[sjt19]

Personally, i really dont think there is much difference between a player shooting 15 bps at you or 19bps, your still gonna play exactly the same way

We went out this time last year, to San Francisco and played Xball against Infamous, Avalanche and the Assassins, they all had faster guns than i had ever played against, or even seen. On the Saturday i think it did make a difference, but we still won points off each of the three teams. Sunday was easeir, as the initial problem of never having faced that kind of volume of paint vanished. The guns were the same, but we played much better.

I really dont care if the other team are shooting 15 or 18 bps, you probably wouldnt even know anyway. Playing against the Russian Legion in Miami with no gun cheats and playing against a top American team in the MS or NPPL with gun cheats was the same.

But the difference is that US teams shoot their guns alot more than teams in the UK do, so a 15bps assisted firing mode will have more of an impact here than in the US,

Also policing at the NPPL may be an isue due to the number of teams they have in atttendence, 200 odd teams is a lot of guns to watch out for. The PA doesnt have anywhere near half of that and only has about 45 teams? Maybe 50 tops? Policing would be far easier if one or two people just watched games and sought out cheats, cos they are so obvious to the learned player/judge (which there are no shortage of) Hell, Russ is one of the most experienced judges in the UK, he could cheat spot a gun a mile off, why not do that, and buy a robot and increase the penalty for cheating?

The NPPL have a $500 fine in place for gun cheats now, why not do that in the PA and ban the player and the team? All they have to do is make the penalty for gettting caught so horiffic than teams do not want to risk it?

Say the PA state that they will check 30 guns at random frmo all the divisions at each event, each team would know they would have their guns taken at least once, but wouldnt know when. Tke tham over to the robot as soon as the flag has ben hung and test them. If they are cheating, then ban them for a year and fine them, have a clause put into the registration form saying that if they refuse to pay the league has the right to keep the gun untill they do. If they still dont pay, keep the gun and sell it.

 

[John C]

Did you read the other thread on this subject?

Im sure it covers all this stuff already...

 

[Wadidiz]

Sam,

Dude, you need to go back and read the hundreds of pages of threads on this issue where Manike, Egi and many other knowledgeable people discussed how to get the guns under control. The solution proposed here is the only feasible one on the table right now.

Everybody that's had a look-see at this knows that the robot will only stop the honest cheaters. Or the ones too stupid or too cheap to put in a disengage code.

So what's the value in increasing the fine and penalty for tripping a speed camera on a highway? Everybody knows where the camera is anyway and speeds everywhere else. That's the way it is with the robot.

What we're talking about doing is having the cameras everywhere. Violá. Behavior and output is instantly modified.

In one fell swoop NXL leveled the playing field and improved safety. Ask your NXL buddies about it.

 

[gaff]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
In one fell swoop NXL leveled the playing field and improved safety.

word!

 

[DARREN]

Ramping ????

after reading the entire thread it would appear that only sjt19 seems to understand Ramping as it was explained to me at x ball Orlando last year ,now PLEASE correct me if i`m wrong but my understanding is this ,

1,trigger bounce ,what it says the trigger bouncing off your finger or just purely from the recoil of the marker when held etc etc

2,assisted mode ,again what it says the player is assisted by a mode programmed into the marker and,eg: for every trigger pull the player gets 2,3,4,5 shots added a bit like the old turbo board in the shocker though this was limited to 13 bps from memory

3, Now, Ramping was where a marker not only increased in rate of fire BUT increased the velocity per shot ,something very different from "Bounce".

Oh just as a bit of useless info i marshalled some of the X-Ball last year in the World Cup and on the first day we caught an average of 2 markers per team with illegal firing modes ,on day 2 we caught maybe 1 marker per team with just ramping velocity only over the chrono ,but by day 3 the only major rule infractions were by players themselves and maybe 1 illegal marker all day .

A Big thank-you to Wadidiz for helping me with the ever changing rules and making some very hard calls but always backing the marshalls on their calls.

I don`t know the answer to this problem but will back the P.A League as they are the only ones willing to at least have a go at this age old problem.
Darren Team Raven

 

[Collier]

Ramping ????

Originally posted by DARREN
after reading the entire thread it would appear that only sjt19 seems to understand Ramping as it was explained to me at x ball Orlando last year ,now PLEASE correct me if i`m wrong but my understanding is this ,

1,trigger bounce ,what it says the trigger bouncing off your finger or just purely from the recoil of the marker when held etc etc

2,assisted mode ,again what it says the player is assisted by a mode programmed into the marker and,eg: for every trigger pull the player gets 2,3,4,5 shots added a bit like the old turbo board in the shocker though this was limited to 13 bps from memory

3, Now, Ramping was where a marker not only increased in rate of fire BUT increased the velocity per shot ,something very different from "Bounce".

Oh just as a bit of useless info i marshalled some of the X-Ball last year in the World Cup and on the first day we caught an average of 2 markers per team with illegal firing modes ,on day 2 we caught maybe 1 marker per team with just ramping velocity only over the chrono ,but by day 3 the only major rule infractions were by players themselves and maybe 1 illegal marker all day .

A Big thank-you to Wadidiz for helping me with the ever changing rules and making some very hard calls but always backing the marshalls on their calls.

I don`t know the answer to this problem but will back the P.A League as they are the only ones willing to at least have a go at this age old problem.
Darren Team Raven

Deffinition of ramping can either be ROF ramping OR velocity ramping not always both.

 

[DARREN]

Hi Paul
right fair enough but you can understand why people get confused ?

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by DARREN
Hi Paul
right fair enough but you can understand why people get confused ?

Yep!