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Baca Loco

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Originally posted by Intheno
instead of banning some illiterate kid, why not ban talking about ramping for a week, or ban all threads that relate to pretty guns?
That could suit your purposes!
Or Ban lazy people!

While your at it, why not ban all threads you don't like, and insist that everyone wears red armbands with little white circles with pretty crosses inside...
Back to normal.
 

Chicago

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Originally posted by ChuckC
(And yes, I realize there's a 15BPS cap now, which null and voids my (or my marker's) ability to shoot that fast...that's not my argument)

Nevermind that PSP 15 bps is probably faster than your "21 bps". PSP 15 bps is steady, 15 balls per one second interval. The 21 bps "measured" by your gun means that ONCE while you had it powered on you pressed the trigger twice within 48 milliseconds.
 

Mark Toye-Nexus

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
arguing in favor of semi-only continually drags up the we're losing a skill of the game
You see Baca - now you are onto something

We arent losing the skill (you argue that there isnt one in the first place).

Not having semi-only means that the skill is negated (as ITN pointed out)

Hang on, what am I dong back on here?

Dagnabbit, a moment of weakness.
 

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Oh, come on, it is a skill, it is just a dumb skill. You are spot on about triggers making a bigger difference than the skill usually does, BL, but saying that because you can't gauge it it doesn't exist is like saying if there is no one there to hear it, the tree didn't even fall. Sure it fell, but no one cares.

Some people wiggle their fingers faster than others, and with time, you can improve your ability to wiggle your fingers in an alternating rhythm, to a point. That point is usually probably in a frequency range of 10-14, with the occasional freak of nature able to do it a little faster.
 

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
1. The fact that some peeps can train themselves to pull a particular trigger in a better rythym than the next guy is totally irrelevant.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=skill

training yourself = acquiring a skill.


2. No, the "skill" bit is in mastering an aspect of the game, any aspect, that applies equally to all competitors.
So in motor racing there is no driving skill b/c its all about the fastest car. Is that your argument?

You are arguing that shooting fast is not a skill b/c its equipment limited. So is snap shooting not a skill? As marker accuracy over a single shot dictates if you hit your target.

If your arguing that shooting fast is not fundamental to good paintball then I'd agree. But it is a skill, it just may not be as vital as people think.
 

Baca Loco

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Originally posted by stark
1--So in motor racing there is no driving skill b/c its all about the fastest car. Is that your argument?

2--You are arguing that shooting fast is not a skill b/c its equipment limited. So is snap shooting not a skill? As marker accuracy over a single shot dictates if you hit your target.
1--No, that's not my argument. My argument is, keeping to the auto racing theme, that playing with disparate equipment is essentially the same thing as running Formula 3 cars with Formula 1 cars in the same race. It becomes impossible to judge the skill of the drivers because their equipment isn't fundamentally equal. Which is, of course, why there are dozens of different classes for racing, so that the driver's skill matters. And if the driver's skill is made immaterial it isn't much of a competition, is it? I am arguing that the claim of a shooting fast skill falls into the same category of immateriality because there is no control over the equipment.

2--No, I'm arguing it's not a quantifiable skill and as such is a poor reason to favor semi only over ramping. (Which doesn't mean there aren't other reasons to favor semi only but most of those arguing in favor of semi only seem to want to use the shooting fast skill as justification.)
 

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Paul, Paul, Paul...

Ya know, the assumption that paintball is a sport is a false one.

There, I said it.

It has alot of the trappings of a sport...athletic participants, TV Coverage(after a fashion), and even a couple of leagues...but unfortunately I submit to you that it is not a sport precisely because of what you've noted earlier...the lack of consistency of rules.

Granted, the basic game is the same...shoot all the other guys and hang the flag, but I believe you've lamented the fact many times that there's just no consistency of the rules.

Until such time as a non-political, non-biased governing body is set in place to govern every aspect of the game, regardless of whatever league is putting on events, then it isn't a sport.

The PSP and NPPL aren't going to re-merge, and everyone knows it. NXL may or may not survive the year. In all three instances, there are varied rules governing various aspects of each league's game, whether it concern hopper color or perhaps the allowance of enhanced modes...none of them are the same.

So what's that leave? At some point 2 of the three dominant leagues are going to go away, leaving one to dictate what the "sport" of paintball will be, through even then there will still be a need for a governing body that publishes and enforces the rules. I suppose it's possible for the various leagues all confederate to create and support a governing body, but I don't see that as a likely occurance.

That's just the US...I won't speak for Europe, as I'm not European.

I went off on a bit of a tangent, didn't I? I guess it's my overly elaborate way of avoiding Paul's argument. The fact is that Paul's a bit more intelligent than I am, and as such I'm incapable of elaborating the truth that shooting fast is a learned skill. I'll leave it to more competent wordsmiths than myself to make that argument.