Name that Skill!

[Chicago]

Originally posted by Mark Toye-Nexus
The skill to pull a lever that activates a switch with a finger is a learnt action. It is an improvement of that skill to shoot it fast

Is being able to quickly set a page of type in the printing press a skill?

Sure.

Is it an ANTIQUATED skill? Definitely.

Is quickly reloading your musket a skill?

Pulling the trigger, if it every was a "skill", will hardly be the first skill to be eliminated by technology.


Quickly changing the Co2 cartridge used to be a "skill" too. Then people got quickchangers and then constant air.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by stark
Baca, your getting bogged down in assumptions I think. IMO trigger `skill` boils down to 2 simple statements:

1. Regardless of what trigger is being fired there is still an optimal firing algorithm - ie a method of pulling the trigger with a minimum of time delay.

2. The skill bit is applying that algorithm to any trigger type in a consistent manner.

Eg people skilled in trigger action will be on average faster firing on any trigger than those who aren't.

Assumptions perhaps but in the context of Sport the only logical ones to be made.

1. even this is problematic because there is no uniformity. The fact that some peeps can train themselves to pull a particular trigger in a better rythym than the next guy is totally irrelevant.
If, as Mark wants to do, you simply assign a non-specific value to shooting fast because it seems to be sensible, you still lack any defining way to value it within the context of the game.

2. No, the "skill" bit is in mastering an aspect of the game, any aspect, that applies equally to all competitors. Your trigger twitching "skill" is fundamentally meaningless.

So what? I would happily test my "skill" on an Old Skool cocker slide trigger against any of y'all. Whoop-de-do.

I see the stars have aligned in some cosmically meaningful if uncertain way as both Chicago and ITN are agreeing with me. Could it be I'm wrong?

 

[Intheno]

strangely not this time.
I've no doubt with a more provocative thread you may get some more provocative discussion, in which case you may not have the dubious honor of having people need to agree with you, but in this case you may as well have posted:

'paintball is a game between 2 opposing teams - discuss'

no-one with an ounce of reason could really argue...

Christ knows what Mark is doing. I expected better from him.

 

[ChuckC]

At the beginning of last season, I was shooting a Timmy with a WAS board. The LCD screen would display the fastest BPS achieved during the period of time it was turned on. To reset it, one could simply turn it off and back on again and let it reboot. (I'm sure most of you are familiar.) Now, I'm not going to argue that the operation of the board didn't help achieve higher rates of fire than I could get out of one of my old Mag's or Cocker's...BUT, I could reach a max of 21 BPS with that gun and board combo. Several other players from my team would try to achieve the same BPS with my Timmy, but couldn't. The highest anyone else ever registered on my marker was 16BPS.

Now explain how it is not a skill to walk a trigger if one person can shoot faster than another with the same gat.

(And yes, I realize there's a 15BPS cap now, which null and voids my (or my marker's) ability to shoot that fast...that's not my argument)

BTW, I enjoy playing PSP's with ramping mode...I feel it makes the game more challenging for me, which makes it more fun.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Originally posted by Intheno


Christ knows what Mark is doing. I expected better from him.

ITN - having some fun is the answer to that

I'm afraid that we could all be debating on essentially different reasoning.

Management theories describe what a skill is. I have based my argument on that alone - and I have checked the texts. In its purest sense, I think, I am right.

Hitting a nail with a hammer is a skill. How big the hammer is, how heavy it might be or how small the nail is is irrelevant. The act of picking up a hammer, holding it correctly, and bringing it down accurately on a nail is learnt and is a skill. Doing it quickly is an improvement on that skill.

Oh whatever, I lost the will to live

Wheres the next debate?

 

[Intheno]

yeah, he sucked at this thread, he's normally so edgy and all, seems like he's running out of idea's or something. When you consider that he had a load of cool suggestions for thread topics this week there's really no excuse...

 

[Skeet]

Maybe its more of an Ability, rather than a Skill as such.

There is certainly a difference, between some people, and others when it comes to pulling a trigger..some can do it quicker than others, and thats it.

I have an ability, to teach myself how to play, some tunes, on a guitar...however, if I cant find the right note, I cant do it..so..I have an ability, but I'm not skilled..as such...maybe not a good comparison

 

[Contract Killer 05]

The skill is not how fast you can pull the trigger anymore, it's now a case of stayin' the FCUK allive, too many people are goin' on about ramping guns spoiling our game, all i can say is learn to stay alive better......... choose your gun battles wisely

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Intheno
yeah, he sucked at this thread, he's normally so edgy and all, seems like he's running out of idea's or something. When you consider that he had a load of cool suggestions for thread topics this week there's really no excuse...

Yep, I'm running out of steam. It's not like everybody and his uncle arguing in favor of semi-only continually drags up the we're losing a skill of the game chestnut or anything. And there've been so many discussions just like it before...

And as to the Suggestions thread the idea wasn't to give me more work, it was to inspire the loads of lazy *******s on these boards to post or discuss something pball related slightly more interesting than Oooh, look at my pretty gun!

 

[Intheno]

instead of banning some illiterate kid, why not ban talking about ramping for a week, or ban all threads that relate to pretty guns?
That could suit your purposes!
Or Ban lazy people!

While your at it, why not ban all threads you don't like, and insist that everyone wears red armbands with little white circles with pretty crosses inside...