Name and Shame

[Tiny man]

I know someone on my team (Who will remain nameless) who has cheated in the past if ever now i see him cheat now by rubbing the paint of or anything else, i'll shoot him myself as i can't stand it when people cheat.
But the pros and cons thing is true because there could be more than one person with the same name involved in paintballing. The names of paintballers who cheat spreads like wild fire between paintballers around where I live anyway.

 

[Roland]

Originally posted by DickySixx
OK- but I have spoken to you several times- thought you knew who I was- I was the marshal who noticed the hit on your pot at Ancaster...


No sorry didn't realise who you were, just wanted to put a face to a name after selling you the green Angel.

Rancid, I didn't take it as an accusation just Dicksixx trying to jog my old and senile memory.

 

[rancid]

I'm only messin.

 

[Tyger]

There's only one problem wiht it. Nobody cares.

Some time ago a tournament player was accused of cheating on a televised event. And after a week of threats ("I'll break your freaking neck" as well as othe rbody parts.) taunts ("We'll boycott your sponsors."), and general bandying about, nothing happened. The guy still plays tourament ball, and life moved on.

Hell, I'm getting video tape sent to me (allegedly. I have yet to see the video on my doorstep)of the All Americans wiping a hit in a tornament. The tape is almost 10 years old. At the time, EVERYONE saw the Reno tape, and look where they are now. Playing X-ball. And, oh yeah, the player in question (Adam Gardner) is still there.

And you can argue "That was almost 10 years ago." and "That's a diffrent era." and so on, but you're proving my point. A player BLATANTLY cheated, and nobody cared. A guy at Skyball wipes a hit while he appears on the jumbotron, larger than life, in front of the entire audience, and nobody cares. His team finised third overall, even after a blatant wipe. I could take my video equipment to any tournament, and FILM teams cheating, and nobody will care about it. It's all about racking up the W's, no matter what else happens.

Name and shame all you want, nobody really cares. Hell, start a fight on the field, bloody someone up, and nobody cares. For what it's worth, run up to an opponent, rip their goggles off, and stuff your barrel down their throat pulling the trigger as fast as you can. Then share beers at the next tournament. Nobody will care.

Sammy Sosa is caugh with a corked bat, he's tossed out for 8 games or so. Paintball, even if you get caught cheating, you at worst get removed from the game or cause a 1-for-1 to happen. Nobody cares about cheating in paintball. For all the richeous talk, for all the "holier then thou" attitudes, for all the lip service that honor and fair play is given, there's very little action. For what it's worth, cheating is rewarded. The risk/bennefit ratio for cheaitng is slanted more to rewards for cheating. Start banning players for "X" games for wiping, then make it stick, and you'll see results.

Mr. Cheat had the right idea, write a book, tell everyone how to cheat, and level the playing field.

-Tyger

 

[Robbo]

Yawn

Take yer camera along to any rec ball site and just watch the number of wannabee rambos you can catch cheating on film.

And since you named Adam Gardner, I'll name you as one of the world's losers, one of the world's all time losers in fact.

Adam has done more for this sport than you could even dream of, the only real crime he has committed when it coems to you is not the fact that he was cheating, (a million and one paintballers lay claim to that) oh no, it ain't that at all, it's the fact he's a well known pro and you're a well known nut farm inhabitant who ain't done crap.
Adam's done it all as a player and as a businessman (Smart Parts), now what you done again ??????

 

[Philip]

Calm down ladies. Yes, name and shame should be put into practise if theres is adequet evidence. No point ruining someones rep.

And Robbo, Tyger was just giving an example

Aye up, Robbo, i thought you had Tyger on ignore?

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Philip
Calm down ladies. Yes, name and shame should be put into practise if theres is adequet evidence. No point ruining someones rep.

And Robbo, Tyger was just giving an example

Aye up, Robbo, i thought you had Tyger on ignore?

Phil, the problem tyger has (all part of his psychosis) is that whenever he does open his mouth in threads like this, his examples are always tournament players and well known pros.

If he sticks to his area of expertise, ie, painting yer face with cammo, attacking a tank with smoke grenades etc, then cool, but don't keep coming on here attacking touney ballers and pros just coz he can't hack it as a player.
He's like a worn out record from a sad old man !

 

[Philip]

Originally posted by Robbo
Phil, the problem tyger has (all part of his psychosis) is that whenever he does open his mouth in threads like this, his examples are always tournament players and well known pros.

Agreed.

This would run much more effieciently if you both stuck to your area of expertise(including you Tyger).

Anyway, i cant see you dressing up to play a 24 hour game Robbo

Now play nicely you two.

-Philip

 

[Tyger]

And Pete proves my point. "It doens't matter if someone cheats as long as the ends justify the means."

Philip : I have Pete on ignore. But since he's accused me of being a phsychoath (according to your quote, anyway) I'll defend myself if I need to. And I took him off ignore, read his post, and saw that he's being very typical "Robbo". "Who cares if aguy cheats, he's won more than you." I used to think it's a persona, a falce face. But now I know that he is backpedaling and tring to protect his interests. And, as such, his post boils down to "Tyger sucks, and has no skills at paintball." Never addressing the accusations, just mudslinging to protect his own ego and assets.

My point still applies. Nobody cares. Well known pros are the ones representing paintball on TV. And when a player like Oh Pawlack takes a hit to the goggles (no matter what justifications he uses) on the ESPN games and plays on, it affects me. I get asked by non-playing people "Is that how you're supposed to play?" And seeing as the pros want all the attention, and are unwilling to take the measures to crack down on themsleves, you're going to get what you get. You want publicity? You better be damned ready to take the lumps.

And if you think I'm unkind, just wait until a professional sports writer for Sports Illustrated hacks a player to pieces. Just wait until a sports reporter with no connecitons or cares about your feelings describes paintball as a sport for cheaters, showing a picture of a teammate wiping a hit while shooting the referee in the balls. I'm being kind compared to what could happen out there.

I'm playing nice. It's Pete Robinson who has the ego and stands to lose out financially and politically. If not, then explain to me why he continually attacks me, even when I'm not saying anything to him or about him. Explain why he gets his friends to come onto this board and badmouth me. Explain why he is trying to get rid of me, a "know nothing, no skills, no-body rec baller who is always wrong"? Explain why he has in the past edited my posts to say such colorful things such as "I'm a dick!", and attempts to assasinate my character and qualifications at every opportunity? I can tell you he's not doing it simply becasue he's defending the honor of tournament paintball.

Here's a hint. He used to play for the All Americans.

My "area of expertiece" is paintball. Pete would have you believe that ALL rec-ballers are all no-skill wannabees because it serves his purpose to do so. Pete is a buisnessman in paintball, understand that. I understand that his changing my posts, deleting my account, banning me on one occasion, serves his purposes in the buisness of paintball, and isn't just his ego talking.

For the record, I've never painted my face in camo colors. I've played all kinds of paintball from outlaw to tournaments. I am not a 'specalist'. I could have played on Aftershock, I chose not to pursue it. (A fact that I've proven 10 times before...) Because I choose not to specalise, I'm deemed as "unfit" to comment on tournament paintball, which is an inclusive group of people. And they don't care about cheating in paintball, they care about making money and winning events.

Psychosis? No. 14+ years of watching paintball claim to want to be mainstream but acting as an inclusive club who is unwilling to take that hard-line look at themselves objectively. Pete is proving that, once again.

I can not change Pete's mind on anything, it's pretty much set in stone. Nor can I make him stop attacking me at the drop of a hat. All I can do is try to explain myself, and explain where I'm coming from, and tolerate that Pete's childish outbursts are a result of a man who has never grown up and stands to lose more than his ego from someone who he percieves to be a threat greater than life itself.

**sigh** I'll go put Pete back on ignore now.
-Tyger

 

[Tyger]

Oh, and for DikySixx : The reply you've read is why nobody will "Name and Shame". No attacking the issues, but attacking the accuser. And nothing ever gets done.

-Tyger