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No. I don't think it has to be such a radical departure from the way things are done now. I'll limit my arguments to Millenium, NPPL and PSP.

Yes, what I have been nagging about will cost a little more, but not all that much more.

The key operating words here are organization, communication, pedagogics and logistics.

Let's do a reality check with the "new rules" except we keep remuneration mostly the same as now. Here's what a tournament would look like according to my proposals:

1. Reffing requirements for series points bring in a sufficient pool of pro and amateur refs.

2. Some rule "refresher" information is sent out to all refs to remind of the main points, the determination for consistency in rule enforcement and the fact that there will be accountability.

3. Head-field-judges are recruited and offered a little more pay for their responsibilities and accountability.

4. All head-field-judges attend a mandatory meeting the day before the tournament to emphasize all that we've been talking about.

5. All judges attend a mandatory briefing and training session the day before the tournament during which a "pop-quiz" is given and scored anonymously. The main questions that most got wrong or that caused confusion are gone over.

6. All judges then attend the captains' meeting to hear that the rules will be enforced, in front of the captains, as well as hear the other matters usually discussed.

7. The tournament is then run with far less problems than before. The ultimate and perhaps paid assistents (as required by size of the tournament) constantly monitor the quality of judging and stay in touch with the "field bosses".
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I know that some of this is happening already, but the main thing here is a new thrust, with the new, tougher rules suggested on the "Enforcing the rules..." thread. And new resolve.

Am I out to lunch here? I don't understand what's so hard about the suggestions and implementation.

And if no one else wants to take charge of the "re-education" program, I will. Just pay me something for it.

As for the costs, I feel fairly certain that PSP's tournaments (at least the way they were in the past) could easily absorb the extra costs. For Millennium, it might cost each team another €50, max €100 per tournament. But these costs could also be possibly absorbed by sponsors and/or organization.

I'm convinced it would be worth the time and effort. Someone break down for me how I may be wrong.

Steve
 

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Originally posted by Wadidiz
No. I don't think it has to be such a radical departure from the way things are done now. I'll limit my arguments to Millenium, NPPL and PSP. Yes, what I have been nagging about will cost a little more, but not all that much more.
The key operating words here are organization, communication, pedagogics and logistics.........

I stopped reading this post at exactly that point !!!
Peda 'frikkin' gogics ?
what the hell is that ?
My God, what has paintball come to ?
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Originally posted by Robbo



I stopped reading this post at exactly that point !!!
Peda 'frikkin' gogics ?
what the hell is that ?
My God, what has paintball come to ?
Robbo
At least I got your attention, Robbo...and instantly lost it.:p

Your country gave us the bleedin' language, why can't I use it? Besides that my mom wants some return on her education investment. Pedagogics means the art of teaching things. We need to take the skills and knowledge of the wiser and more experienced and transfer it to all the others.

Skip over the hard words and give us your two cents here! Pretty puleez.
 

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Originally posted by Wadidiz
At least I got your attention, Robbo...and instantly lost it.:p
Your country gave us the bleedin' language, why can't I use it? Besides that my mom wants some return on her education investment. Pedagogics means the art of teaching things. We need to take the skills and knowledge of the wiser and more experienced and transfer it to all the others.
Skip over the hard words and give us your two cents here! Pretty puleez.
No **** you got my attention with a word like 'pedagogics'.
I was actually aware of its meaning, I was just feigning ignorance for the sake of my facetious post :)

As for your post regarding judges, the real and most pressing question in paintball is.................X-Ball or World 7-Man series ?
Therein lies the real dilemma facing us all at the moment but the problem is made even more difficult when the governing bodies don't even know yet exactly what they are going to do.
Unsigned X-Ball contracts on desks, yet to be verified 7-Man venues, trouble (well, disquiet shall we say about a certain member) in the PSP hierarchy, and the MIllennium not knowing which way to jump in the face of an impending exclusion clause for X-Ball promoters....and so on.....
Oh My, and who said paintball politics is boring :)
What was that you were saying about judging ?
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Originally posted by Wadidiz
Pedagogics means the art of teaching things. We need to take the skills and knowledge of the wiser and more experienced and transfer it to all the others.

Skip over the hard words and give us your two cents here! Pretty puleez.
Actually Pedagogy is defined as "The science and art of educating children"

as opposed to Andragogy "an approach to teaching adults based on a set of assumptions about the distinguishing features of adult, as opposed child learners.

Source ITOL Glossary Of Training and Occupational Learning Terms

So when you talk about pedagogics in terms of paintballers you're wrong because it's talking about teaching children and not adults.....
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actually you're right aren't you ;)

We're all big kids at heart!

and Robbo I'm disappointed in you, I thought you ablity to discuss all topics was limitless:D
 

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Originally posted by Cube
and Robbo I'm disappointed in you, I thought your ablity to discuss all topics was limitless:D


Hey Cube, never be confused with my ability to discuss a topic and my choice whether to, or not.....so don't get too disappointed :)
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Originally posted by Cube


Actually Pedagogy is defined as "The science and art of educating children"

as opposed to Andragogy "an approach to teaching adults based on a set of assumptions about the distinguishing features of adult, as opposed child learners.

I should have seen the "ped" root in the word. And to think I teach adults for a living!

But Robbo's right, everything is kinda like on hold now waiting for the dust to settle. But when everyone decides which way paintball's going then the issues about judging ought to be jumped on and sorted out. It should present another good opportunity for standardizing.

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Wadd, you gotta be English or of English extraction using the language like you do, I know your sig tells us you come from Sweden but I don't believe or rather find it extremely difficult to believe you learnt the English you use from a book and classroom.
You must have some English roots, no ?
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Originally posted by Robbo
Wadd, you gotta be English or of English extraction using the language like you do, I know your sig tells us you come from Sweden but I don't believe or rather find it extremely difficult to believe you learnt the English you use from a book and classroom.
You must have some English roots, no ?
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I am actually wery sveedish because i am living heer för a lång time!:p

Actually I am an American by birth and a Southerner by the grace of God (therefore I'm not a yank).

I wouldn't expect you to remember but I met you for the first time at the NY tournament in 1996. I was the older, bald guy with a team called Nobodys. I moved to Sweden just after the Nobodys split up after the WC 1996. I had a beer with you in bar in the Old Town in 1999, played with Brass Eagle's 5-player and judged with GZ on the Hyperball field.

Now that we're properly re-introduced it would be great to hear your opinions on my reffing suggestions, both here and on the "Enforcing the rules..." thread. I have seen your posts about the reffing at the Cup and some of us are trying to do something about it.

I understand that the status of paintball for the coming season is the most pressing issue at hand and we're counting on you to keep us posted.

I'll make a deal with you: you give me your critique of the proposals mentioned and I'll sign up for a subscription to PGI. How's that?;)

Steve

PS. My surname is Morris. I guess that could be English, Welsh or Scottish. I've been trying to find out.

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Originally posted by Wadidiz
I am actually wery sveedish because i am living heer för a lång time!:p
Actually I am an American by birth and a Southerner by the grace of God (therefore I'm not a yank).
I wouldn't expect you to remember but I met you for the first time at the NY tournament in 1996. I was the older, bald guy with a team called Nobodys. I moved to Sweden just after the Nobodys split up after the WC 1996. I had a beer with you in bar in the Old Town in 1999, played with Brass Eagle's 5-player and judged with GZ on the Hyperball field.
Now that we're properly re-introduced it would be great to hear your opinions on my reffing suggestions, both here and on the "Enforcing the rules..." thread. I have seen your posts about the reffing at the Cup and some of us are trying to do something about it.
I understand that the status of paintball for the coming season is the most pressing issue at hand and we're counting on you to keep us posted.
I'll make a deal with you: you give me your critique of the proposals mentioned and I'll sign up for a subscription to PGI. How's that?;)
Steve
PS. My surname is Morris. I guess that could be English, Welsh or Scottish. I've been trying to find out.
SM
Steve,
actually I do remember you, after all, it's not that often you meet a fluent English speaking American just on your way back over to Sweden as I remember (or had just came back to the US).
As for your proposals, well, it all sounds good to me and I am up for anything that allows us to make our judges better.
OK, that's my critique (albeit brief).......
Laterz Steve
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