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Military-look markers in US- is it popular?

mikeyR

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Originally posted by stongle
one posters comments, and you're martyring yourself???

The whole use of "roleplay" and fancy dress though suggests to me that the attitude to winning is not that serious. Wouldn't you rather be playing a team(s), that were taking the "game" seriously and trying to use like techniques and the environment as you are? I play games to win, if I was playing on a field or arena where concealment was key, I wouldn't want to advertise my presence, nor would I expect the opposition to do the same. There's no fun in the participation without the desire or at least trying to win? Surely the taking of objectives is reliant upon skills such as concealment and movement and the roleplay and promotion of fancy dress runs contrary to this???

Maybe I'm leaning more towards Milsim over a "fun day out playing the fool", unfortunately winning and beating the opposition (no matter what the challenge), would be my primary driver.
I don't quite see how I have martyred myself and we could discuss the relevant merits of both types of players fitness till the cows come home. Best we leave this for a more relevant thread.

Before we go completly off topic - which is actually about the US love of military looking guns - I'll come back at you about winning in a scenario game.

I, just like you and 1000's of others, have a huge desire to win. I don't need to win tournaments or take home trophies to prove it though - which maybe the psychological difference between Tournament players and scenario players (again a whole nother thread)

Have you played a Scenario game? If you have then you would of seen the commitment from players to win is there, it's no different to yours. It doesn't matter about the who, what and how, they just get on and play, trying to better there opponents, just like tournament teams do. To be honest you would have to ask a tournament player why they attend a scenario game (Gups and any of Tsunami would be a good reference). They don't lose their will to win just because they change formats.

All scenario players want to win but we will enter into the spirit of the event, so if fancy dress is called for, we will wear it (hence The Geese dressing as Tuskan Raiders at the forthcoming Starr Warrs game). Yes concealment does go out of the window but its a small sacrifice as the fun we get, and bring to the whole experience is, largely reward in itself. You can have fun winning, winning without fun is no fun in my view, and even tournament players must get that feeling. If you didn't enjoy it why spend the money you do, playing the events you do if your not guarenteed the win? Do you honestly turn up at the events with a win at all costs attitude? No, you turn up to do your best and enjoy yourself, winning is a bonus. I could be wrong which brings us back to the pysch profile of the different groups of players.

I think you are leaning torwards 'Milsim' with reference to the camo and concealment side of the game. That is a whole different ball game and does require a whole different set of skills and requirements, but those skills can still serve you well even wearing fancy dress.

I think we best leave it there otherwise this thread will yet again descend into scenario v tournament, and like I've said, those arguements have been done to death. If you want to continue getting your head around what we both think and feel then we can take it to PM. :)
 

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Ah well I've acknowledged that MilSim, maybe where I'm heading towards (and the Armotech's are well natty). I think I was approaching Scenario from a Milsim aspect, and still think that, whilst I don't dig on the whole "real death" concept of war, a lot of Milsim (it's sim for a reason) games would be problem solving based and thus worth a go.

And that nicely brings as round to why the armortechs probably look as they do, and why I suppose scopes etc have value for this type of game style. OK the Armortechs ain't going to be something plod is going to want to see banded about in your local, but I'd imagine they would follow the ergonomics of real world weapons because these are tried and tested. For this type of game play, I don't see what the fuss is all about.

I'm certainly not trying to have a Scenario vs. Tournament debate here, as I don't think we tournament players understand it enough. I'm certainly confused, and I'm wondering that maybe MilSim has been subjugated at the cost of all other formats, when possibly it's quite rewarding (despite the equipments ergonomic origins). Now do you reckon I could get Alias Internals into a WG65??? :)

G

oh, and BTW, paintball is ONLY fun when you're winning. I don't want to play if I'm losing, sorry.
 

mikeyR

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What is it with tournament players trying to get tournament internals into scenario markers? Pinki wanted to put his DM4 into a WG75 (Armourtech's new MP5 look a like) There's even plans on our team to put Angel internals into a P60 (see Stargate) body :D

I can't comment on Mil Sim as I havent played, but the Sim part is what stands out, so 'simulating' your marker like the real world makes sense.

As for you not understanding - you'll just have to try it. Maybe you would like to be a special guest of the Geese next year? After spending the weekend with us you'll either love it or hate it!

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ruthlessp8ntballer

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Originally posted by ruthlessp8ntballer

I've also found its true (most of the time) that those who own only military looking weapons arent good enough (ie: fast) to play Sup'Air, so they revel themselves in a "Rambo Wet-Dream" :D

What part of "most the time" did not permeate into your skull mate? :confused: (no rudeness intended)

You've taken a comment, and blown it way out of proportion. It was an innocent thing, that I thought (IE: My opinion) was true in some instances. :rolleyes:

Now, if I said "All woodsballers are 390 pounds and cannot walk" Then, I'd understand the problem.

Now, since its obvious you would like a pc commment: :p

"Not all woodsballers are 390 pounds, some are less, and are fast; maybe as fast (or faster) than Sup'Air players"

And, just for the record, I play Woodsball every weekend (saturday or sunday) with me and 7 other guys. Good stuff, just, its a bit boring when one game takes an hour to find the one skinny ******* that hides in the gorge for the entire game... :)

All in all, no harm done, just more opinions :D

Btw: What markers (names please) stack shots...I need to know :D
 

mikeyR

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Originally posted by ruthlessp8ntballer
What part of "most the time" did not permeate into your skull mate? :confused: (no rudeness intended)

You've taken a comment, and blown it way out of proportion. It was an innocent thing, that I thought (IE: My opinion) was true in some instances. :rolleyes:

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All in all, no harm done, just more opinions :D

Btw: What markers (names please) stack shots...I need to know :D
On reflection maybe I was a little harsh on this one point but later on you'll see I say to Stongle that you implied we where unfit. 'Most of the time' also implies a lot more instances than just 'a few players' or 'the odd one or two'. Its all a matter of semantics at the end of the day and posts never really convey the inference people put on words.

I'm not offended and I hope your not either. :)