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Military-look markers in US- is it popular?

Victor six

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I know that in the UK there's a fairly strong anti-military feeling within the paintball community (ie. your marker and kit should be seen as important pieces of sporting equipment, not Rambo's wet dream), but does the same thing apply to the US?

We were discussing my going paintballing at work and the stock comment came out, "You're all just a bunch of Army wannabees", to which I replied, "Well, I can stop playing, but you'll always be a cnut", and then the US's love affair with guns was mentioned.

I know of websites where modded markers (mainly Tippman- based, oddly enough), are shown- like a 'Readers' Markers' sorta thing, and I'm fond of the ol' DPM myself, but I was just wondering...

Does this make any sort of sense??
 

SteRoberts

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ive seen it about. I really like those armotech thingies, tho i dont think id own one, eblades and things like that appeal much more to me.

Leave the US to it i reckon, and next time they mention it just say, yeh but were in UK. I like to think that paintball has more in common with Tag than the army, but you do really have to think that its an extention of the shoot shoot bang bang games of your childhood, only now we can prove who got shot first :).

I hope that made sense, now what on earth am i doing out of the noob forum?
 

ruthlessp8ntballer

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Hey mate. I have a mate who does nothing but look for ways to get his A-5 to look like an MP-5 with body kits, and that kind of ****e.

My other mates and myself are more into tourney markers (trixes, eblades, races, angel,.etc...) It just depends on the person too.

I've also found its true (most of the time) that those who own only military looking weapons arent good enough (ie: fast) to play Sup'Air, so they revel themselves in a "Rambo Wet-Dream" :D

After that, it comes down to preference. Also, how you were exposed to the sport. If you're the son of Mario Andretti, I doubt you'll be involved amish horse racing :D

Was never good with those ******* analogies...Anyway, if you were showed the sport as a military game; its likely that you've accepted it as that. If you went into Sup'Air; then you accept paintball as that.

What more can I say? :rolleyes: Oh yea, its not inherent for every person from the US to love only markers that look like fecking m-60's :p
 

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The answer: Yes.

In America, we have less antipathy toward guns than in Europe, I suppose. Of course, saying that is silly because people have all sorts of comfort levels, some are really bothered by guns and fake guns and chicken wings wielded as symbolic guns. Generalizing anything about social attitudes in America is misleading. The safest thing I can say is that many people do not care if they are bothering someone if they can't get into real trouble over it.

Most people here get into paintball as a kind of "play soldier" thing. Some people stay with that and enjoy it for a long time, some people turn to tournaments and learn a certain contempt for rec-ball style, followed by a later embrace of rec-ball style to be contrary and ironic or agg or whatever.

A lot of people who play rec ball here are bothered by the hopper on the top of the gun, and I personally feel that it is because it makes it look less like a bullet-shootin' gun. A lot of people do scenario games as a military fantasy thing, without the psycological scarring or potential death.

I see nothing wrong with it, as people generally only encounter paintball guns in a context that they voluntarily entered. If they were uncomfortable with the idea, they wouldn't have. The exception to these voluntary situations is what I find less desirable. I talk about what I play, but I don't show people my gear unless they ask or unless they are close friends who will tolerate me geeking out over cool new toys.
 

Arrival

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Sounds pretty dead-on, gyro. Hell, when I first started I had a Tippmann 98 Sniper. The more and more I got into paintball, which was basically after the first couple outings, I learned that the "sniper" crap wouldn't work n' moved on (hell, I was just a kid back then). I'm now a sponsored Angel-owner in training for tournaments.
I suppose a lot of it has to do with the person's interest in the actual sport of paintball over thier shoot-'em-up fantasies.
 

Grendel-Khan

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fer real. Ive only been to one scenario game and IMO most of the peopl were there on a military tip. they had their cammies and night vision and extremely realistic looking paint guns. It seems like the scenario (TP) games are just as much about role playing as it is playing ball. The realistic markers help enforce this. I even had one guy talk some **** about my trix, until he heard how quiet it was. He commented that they should make mil/sim markers like that. Which might increase their popularity in the US, but I doubt it. THere is a very limited demographic that spends money in this sector, but then again the scenario scene is growing so manufacturers will continue with the mil/sim market.
Word on the A-5 comments above. Tippman really undeerrstands their consumer base. It really does look like an MP-5, but it sells like hotcakes. I guess tippy guys love that ****.
 

mikeyR

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So much to answer so little time!

Right let’s start with the fact I am a committed scenario player so you can take my comments with a pinch of salt if you want. But lets not turn this into yet another scenario v tournament thread (so boring).

I like Tournament paintball to watch and was at Campaign this year. I have yet to play on a Supair field; although I would like too, but I do take issue with the fact that you think scenario players are not good enough to play Tournaments. We still have to be fit because we play all day as opposed to short games, and we usually carry more kit than your average tournament player, so to say we choose to play scenarios because of a lack of fitness is wrong at best and to some, insulting.

The original point about the US having more fascination with military looking paintball markers is a social one. The gun culture in the US allows these markers to be far more socially acceptable. They do, as has also been mentioned, add to the realism of the game for the individual that owns them.

Scenario player’s kit, just like Tournament players, is designed for the environment you are in. Bright clothes and bright markers look great in a tournament environment but stand out like a sore thumb in woodland during a scenario game. Wearing camouflage isn’t about wanting to look like a soldier, it’s about giving you a tactical advantage, I’m sure even hardened tourney players understand that. Having a marker that is black also helps. Making it look like an MP5 is down to an individual, and I said earlier, too some it adds to the realism of what you are playing.

You all make a lot of generalisations about scenarios and their players; I don’t intend to do the same about tournament players. I can’t answer for all scenario players as for why we play scenarios. For me it’s the tactical game plan that you can execute, you have to use your brain and all your senses to play; shooting fast doesn’t need to be necessary requirement (so if you think that means I have no game then think it – I really don’t care).

I do not play to be a soldier. I play with ex-servicemen who all say that if they were playing just to get the buzz of combat or the training exercises they had been in before they would have stayed in the forces. They play just for fun, like we all do. In a controlled military environment it would take you all day just to take the equivalent size of ground to a tournament field if there was an enemy in front of you. When real bullets start flying ‘mugging’ someone doesn’t come into the equation. I’ll be the first to admit that in a real war situation I would probably be dead in the first five minutes. Scenario paintball does not replicate combat, it can’t do. If you die in combat you stay dead, you don’t get to walk off field and wipe yourself off. Even I’ll agree that those that think scenario paintball is combat and are in it for the military feel are wannabe Rambo’s, they even do scenario paintball a disservice!

As for mocking Tippmann markers, whatever they look like, don’t do it. If someone comes into paintball because they like the look of an A5 but soon learn about other markers and tournament paintball, then Tippmann has helped your side of the sport as much as ours. As has been so rightly said “Tippmann really understands their consumer base. It really does look like an MP-5, but it sells like hotcakes.” It does a job and does it well; and as we all know the Rec side of this sport allows the tournament sport to continue in the way it does. (And for reference I use a Black Angel 04 Speed although I intend to buy an A5 when the tax man gives me back some of my hard earned! :D

It's all horse's for courses.

Peace.
 

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Mikey, I don't think anyone on this thread has made any derogatory comments regards the "game bag" or fitness of Scenario players and if they do, we'd happily give them a clip round the ear hole. Without scenario and rec tournament couldn't possibly exist so it really is counterproductive for the tournament crowd (or at least those with brains), to slate it too much.

I for one would like to give it a go, and I think that it would be quite a good day. I think as described it does involve certainly different if not more elements than Tournament play.

That saying I do struggle to understand the scenario days such as Star Wars or Kenny's. Wrapping tin foil round me head and yelling "nanoo nanoo", does not equate to the scenario play as you describe Mikey. Given that people are dressing up in fantasy outfits, does this not actually detract from the actual experience of tactics and problem solving? I suppose for some it could be a target rich environment, but I thought the actual point of scenario would be the application of various skills and environment against a like minded opposition?
 

mikeyR

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Originally posted by ruthlessp8ntballer
..........I've also found its true (most of the time) that those who own only military looking weapons arent good enough (ie: fast) to play Sup'Air, .............
Stongle - I think the above implies that the fitness of Scenario players is not what it should be - we are obviously slow and then by extension unfit!

Starr Warrs and all the other scenario games are tactical - it doesn't matter what the subject matter is. If you don't complete the missions, capture bases or find the various items dotted around the field, you won't win; body count/elimination points will never be enough to win. You have to be tactical - just shooting people in a 'target rich enviorment' whilst fun doesn't achieve much.

For those that have tried scenario paintball - I salute you, but to be honest I think the US is far more hard core and may well present itself differently to the humble UK.

To others - don't knock it 'til you've tried it!
 

stongle

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one posters comments, and you're martyring yourself???

The whole use of "roleplay" and fancy dress though suggests to me that the attitude to winning is not that serious. Wouldn't you rather be playing a team(s), that were taking the "game" seriously and trying to use like techniques and the environment as you are? I play games to win, if I was playing on a field or arena where concealment was key, I wouldn't want to advertise my presence, nor would I expect the opposition to do the same. There's no fun in the participation without the desire or at least trying to win? Surely the taking of objectives is reliant upon skills such as concealment and movement and the roleplay and promotion of fancy dress runs contrary to this???

Maybe I'm leaning more towards Milsim over a "fun day out playing the fool", unfortunately winning and beating the opposition (no matter what the challenge), would be my primary driver.