M25 Hmmm

[jecstacy]

but there is not that much credability in winning the series at the moment as its not a national series and doesnt have an establishied reputation so doesnt really mean much in attracting sponsors. The best and only way to get good teams to marshall is cold hard cash. if it is made mandatory a lot of teams will just train instead as no one likes being told they have to do something.

the thing is i know with my team weve got some younger guys on the team, as this is the future, that find it real hard to afford to train let alone play tournys aswell so the cash would be much appreciated and im sure we got a few guys on the team who know abit about marshalling cough twizz cough

 

[woz]

M25 Whats up people!!!

Firstly, I have no connection with sparklie or the M25 league.

I thought the event was great! the best mini millenium ive ever seen in the south.

Bad Marshals? we/tigers had no problems all day with Marshals. All you guys come away from the event sit down and moan its the english paintballer way never happy, jes! dont you guys remember Temple you were lucky if you even had more than 3 marshals per field!


Ok so their were some minor problems, but hang on, their were a hell of a lot more ups than downs. Sparklie has taken on a sh$t job no one in their right mind would touch and had to pay (£6000 loss) for the privilege to do so, I think the moaners/players should know better.

So what if Sparklie just say's F%ck it i aint gonna pay to be moaned at and i for 1 wouldn't blame her if she did. Now if that did happen who do you think would really lose out Sparklie goes back to playing paintball and running her site and no more lost money's, WE the players/teams on the other hand go back to............NOTHING (GET IT)

What this series really needs is

1) More Trade stands (something you can all help with by spreading really positive feed back to the industry).

2) Less idiouts freaking out on the fields and shoting signs etc etc etc(again this is down to the players)

3) Less moaning!!!

Here is some answers to your problems

MARSHALS do you think you can do a better job are you even willing to try? if so ring sparklie! (Stand up or shut up!)

FOOD Get your mum to make you a packed lunch or something

HARD PAINTBALLS Tell it to the teams using it or the people who produce it or get better at paintball and ya might not get shot in the first place! (If their was paint so hard it was going through netting or bouncing off scaffolding, should we not be exposing this brand? what brand was it? what team/s were using it? Did they win any games? will they use it again? Will they be allowed or even want to use it at the next event

Come on Guys be positive, credit were its due. That does not mean great event BUT, try and think before the buts who and what you might be hurting!


Woz

 

[Beaker]

Good post mate

It was the first tourney she's ever done on that scale - credit where it's due.

Yeah there were problems but I'm sure lessons will be learnt and by the end of the season people will be well happy.

 

[gaff]

you quoted in your thread "typically English" well being as most of my work and therefore time is spent in Europe or further afield, i can honestly tell you that constructive critisism is not "typically English" thats wy the resy of europe are better organised and cheaper at practically everything than us!!!!

i have read every post and reply on this and sparklies forum and not one of them is maliscious in any way, everyone that has mad a point has done so for the good of the game, not its demise!

all your points are absolutely spot on except the 'stop moaning' bit, because if i were organising the next event i would be bloody happy to have 30-40 objective opinions given to me, so that i can sift through the ones which i agree with and ignore those that i dont. if we (cos i have made some of the observations) didnt say a word and the next tourney someone got an eye taken out cos of the netting, or a mum complained to the venue owner of the language, or someone got seriously hurt by a 'concrete ball' and all future tourneys were suspended, then we would all be to blame for not highlighting these items..............and we would all loose out as you so rightly said!

 

[L J]

i agree with what gaff said....how can you improve without critiscism????

i personally had no problems...hence why my team won fair play' award

 

[Simon Malone]

Firstly,

Congrats to Sparks for a great job, and having the guts to pull it off. None of the mistakes were your fault, but those of the netting company, and all those people who wouldn't stay true to there word. Myself and the team will always support you, and do everything possible to help.

My team marshalled the Smart Parts field, so anything that happened on the other fields I couldn't comment on. Arrived Saturday morning at 8:00am thinking we could use the fields for a days practice. The netting company screwed that up for us, which ment we wouldn't be doing any drill in preperation for Portugal. Instead we spend the whole day trying to get the site ready for Sundays competition. Which was bloody hard work, and most were forced to sleep on site due to the long drive home. All the team was on site and working by 7:00am, and wouldn't stop until 7:45pm. We had a total of three, five minute breaks all day. The guys were dead on there feet, but stood by there word. Due to the debt Sparks ran up hosting the event, we refused payment for our services.

The age range of the guys on my team is 16 to 25, and for our first ever attempt at marshalling a tournament. I'm proud to say i'm in a team with them, they worked there asses off for two days. Our reward for the hard work we put in is a load of smack from others. OK mistakes will be made, we're only human. But instead of posting comments all over the internet step up to the plate and show us how it's done.

My team will stand by our word, and will marshal as many events as Sparks wants us to. Not because we feel we have to, but because we want to help her make a success out of her series.

So what teams are going to offer there services to marshal leg two????????????

 

[sykesg]

Tip top,

I thought it was a GREAT first torney. Well done! You have to experience the hick ups in order to iron them out, the proof will come in the second event as hopefully all this constructive critisism has been listened to.

One point I didn't see any of the fisty-cuffs first hand so won't comment other than to say you gotta ban players (not teams) from one, two, may be all the events. Athough its the game we love more than life its self its still only a game.

Looking forward to the next one and think this is what the better half (south) part of the country has badly needed for a while.

Nice one.

 

[JohnJ]

Originally posted by cockersrule
i agree with what gaff said....how can you improve without critiscism????

How about trying positive feedback...

 

[woz]

Gaff & anyone else feeling guilty!

you quoted in your thread "typically English" well being as most of my work and therefore time is spent in Europe or further afield, Quotei can honestly tell you that constructive critisism is not "typically English" thats wy the resy of europe are better organised and cheaper at practically everything than us!!!!


Thats exactly my point! we brits dont give back constructive critisism ie. ring/write/email sparklie about your views we/you just go and moan on forums etc

Quote: all your points are absolutely spot on except the 'stop moaning' bit, because if i were organising the next event i would be bloody happy to have 30-40 objective opinions given to me, so that i can sift through the ones which i agree with and ignore those that i dont. if we (cos i have made some of the observations) didnt say a word and the next tourney someone got an eye taken out cos of the netting, or a mum complained to the venue owner of the language, or someone got seriously hurt by a 'concrete ball' and all future tourneys were suspended, then we would all be to blame for not highlighting these items..............and we would all loose out as you so rightly said!


Do you think Moaning & constructive critisism are the same thing?

How many events have you personally done or are planning to do?
Let me tell you from a organisers point of view, that moaning does nothing constructive.

The Netting: Has 1 thing you said or done really helped the series? do you not think that sparklie is well aware of these situation/s when they happen? and if you were so worried about it, 1 or 2 private message/s to sparklie would of done the job (you get my drift).
Coming on here(Public Forums) saying kids could be hurt etc etc etc (even if it is the truth) is NOT constructive critisism!

Concrete balls: (repeat myself) Tell it to the teams using it or the people who produce it or get better at paintball and ya might not get shot in the first place! (If their was paint so hard it was going through netting or bouncing off scaffolding, should we not be exposing this brand? what brand was it? what team/s were using it? Did they win any games? will they use it again? Will they be allowed or even want to use it at the next event? (repeat)

Bad language: This is down to the teams/players, NOT the organisation

30-40 objective opinions: And about 3 or 4 positive opinions.


Anyway i stick by my post,



Woz

 

[L J]

Originally posted by JohnJ

How about trying positive feedback...

yeah, so 2 teams say marshalling was excellent yeah...then on another field 2 teams dont put forward the marshalling on this field was crap...whats happens then it cant be improved because no body knows!!!!! therefore there MUST be critiscism otherwise improvements cannot be made because if someone says something is excellent why improve it???