If we want our sport to keep on keeping on we should not associate any thing beer drugs any of that stuff.
Losers don't do drugs
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All valid points
I can't disagree with the bad boy image, and how some (many) ad's in all sorts of other sports use it to their advantage. There's an old copyrighter's rule that says the more ridiculous / sensational, the more memorable. (Thanks for moving the thread, I realized my flying rant was in an inappropriate place after logging off last night.)
If we changed it to losers didn't drink beer, then I guess drunks are as good as we get? We're not talking about what the shirts say, we're talking about what we're saying about ourselves.
But take snowboarders for instance. Olympics, hunh? Find me someone over 30 who nodded and said, "What took them so long to get that fixed?" Good fit? Don't think so.
But let me stretch your vision a little (bend your perception so to speak). There are some precedents for us: the winter games biathlon (shooting combined with cross-country skiing) and summer games fencing, tae kwon do, small bore rifle and all the team-oriented olympic games with any degree of "combat" (hockey). I did say I'd stretch the definitions. But can you see some links?
We have a very tenuoius potential future with very little corporate support to become a sport. Now look how we display our weapons, SWAT packs and armoured heads and shins, and the language we use of dead box, elimenations and ammo. Please pass the grenades.
Okay, like I haven't done a long post before? My point is, we have a tenuoius hold on legitimacy (=$), we are martial by image (and all the negatives with that), and then we use less than proper images / language publically? We've got the population of players and are international, true. If we were ingrained into the culture and had overcome our negatives, I'd say fire away.
But it's too easy to kill a sport nowadays, and we can't afford the one seemingly insignificant error that leads to legislation (Australia, Germany, almost Canada and some states in the US). Is that error going to be a t-shirt? Hell no. But the mentality behind the t-shirt slogan, the drive-by marker shootings and the hunger of the press sure will.
Food for thought from the cheap seats, interesting replies made previousily,
Larry Janecka
I can't disagree with the bad boy image, and how some (many) ad's in all sorts of other sports use it to their advantage. There's an old copyrighter's rule that says the more ridiculous / sensational, the more memorable. (Thanks for moving the thread, I realized my flying rant was in an inappropriate place after logging off last night.)
If we changed it to losers didn't drink beer, then I guess drunks are as good as we get? We're not talking about what the shirts say, we're talking about what we're saying about ourselves.
But take snowboarders for instance. Olympics, hunh? Find me someone over 30 who nodded and said, "What took them so long to get that fixed?" Good fit? Don't think so.
But let me stretch your vision a little (bend your perception so to speak). There are some precedents for us: the winter games biathlon (shooting combined with cross-country skiing) and summer games fencing, tae kwon do, small bore rifle and all the team-oriented olympic games with any degree of "combat" (hockey). I did say I'd stretch the definitions. But can you see some links?
We have a very tenuoius potential future with very little corporate support to become a sport. Now look how we display our weapons, SWAT packs and armoured heads and shins, and the language we use of dead box, elimenations and ammo. Please pass the grenades.
Okay, like I haven't done a long post before? My point is, we have a tenuoius hold on legitimacy (=$), we are martial by image (and all the negatives with that), and then we use less than proper images / language publically? We've got the population of players and are international, true. If we were ingrained into the culture and had overcome our negatives, I'd say fire away.
But it's too easy to kill a sport nowadays, and we can't afford the one seemingly insignificant error that leads to legislation (Australia, Germany, almost Canada and some states in the US). Is that error going to be a t-shirt? Hell no. But the mentality behind the t-shirt slogan, the drive-by marker shootings and the hunger of the press sure will.
Food for thought from the cheap seats, interesting replies made previousily,
Larry Janecka
Though I don't have any problems with the logo, I CAN see why some parents could object at least in the UK to the term drugs with the cannabis leaf attached. It's not that it's a mood/mind altering substance, it's 'cause it's an ILLEGAL mood/mind altering substance. Thereby encouraging not just potentially anti-social behavior, but actually breaking the law.
Yes, I think that could be overreacting but I'm sure you could see parents of some potential players seeing it that way.
Yes, I think that could be overreacting but I'm sure you could see parents of some potential players seeing it that way.
Larry I hear ya
But isn't it catch 22?
Pick your chosen demographic and aim to get it, thus cementing your economic base (and that Limp-Bizkit-listening, baggy short wearing, beer and bud dollar is a biggy) and making sure that when the shiznit comes down, that banning Paintball is going to piss off a serious number of the electorate and have some economic ramifications, or else play meek and mild, risk losing the player base you're most likely to attract and get banned anyway when some mentalist who's never even played before goes nuts in a mall with 18 hyper-dialled electro markers he bought mail-order?
I see call it like you see it, roll tha dice and see where they fall...
But isn't it catch 22?
Pick your chosen demographic and aim to get it, thus cementing your economic base (and that Limp-Bizkit-listening, baggy short wearing, beer and bud dollar is a biggy) and making sure that when the shiznit comes down, that banning Paintball is going to piss off a serious number of the electorate and have some economic ramifications, or else play meek and mild, risk losing the player base you're most likely to attract and get banned anyway when some mentalist who's never even played before goes nuts in a mall with 18 hyper-dialled electro markers he bought mail-order?
I see call it like you see it, roll tha dice and see where they fall...
Hey Liz
Unfortunately TJ who are you (or I) to decide what is or isn't wrong or moral?
At the risk of being called pretentious by Robbo again "There are no moral phenomena there is only a moral interpretation of phenomena" Friedrich Nietzche
Anyway returning to topic I personally find the T-Shirt highly amusing but I can see where the naysayers are coming from
Obviously more of a student of Voltaire than Socrates
Unfortunately TJ who are you (or I) to decide what is or isn't wrong or moral?
At the risk of being called pretentious by Robbo again "There are no moral phenomena there is only a moral interpretation of phenomena" Friedrich Nietzche
Anyway returning to topic I personally find the T-Shirt highly amusing but I can see where the naysayers are coming from
>>>Unfortunately TJ who are you (or I) to decide what is or isn't wrong or moral?
That's for each of us to decide...personally, I missed tha meeting that gave governments the authority to tell citizens what they could and couldn't put into their own bodies.
That's for each of us to decide...personally, I missed tha meeting that gave governments the authority to tell citizens what they could and couldn't put into their own bodies.
Theoretically in a Representative Democracy it is the people who give up their personal sovereignty at the ballot box
Don't like the rules vote somebody else in (for the record the party I support in the UK is fairly pro decriminalisation but that's not the main reason I vote for them)