Losers don't do drugs

[TJ Lambini]

Everyone's got opinions they're entitled to

Wolfman...tha T-shirt was meant as an ironic statement, not a 'drugs are good' statement, but obviously some people have taken it tha wrong way.

Just picking recent issues of various magazines, from various moral standpoints, you can hammer all of em if you want...2xtremes showing a guy with a Nazi uniform and badge on, p8nt having a guy smoking a cigarette on the cover and accusing a top team of institutionalised cheating, PGI printing pictures of naked german men...all have offended different member so tha Pball community, all have the potential to cause pball 'real' problems if the wrong people see 'em. Which is worse/ I have my opinions of which is the most damaging, doubtless you have yours.

So what do you do? Be true to yourself and your principles 100% of tha way - that's our attitude. What's yours?

Whatever your choice of which mags you submit to and which companies you work with though, make sure it's informed...WDP's outward antics may nmake em seem wrong, but do you know which gun manufacturer is operating a sweatshop? Or which clothing manufacturers operate unsafe practices in 3rd world countries?

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Wolf
The problem is, for the same reason Pete calls things "Tygerisms," someone has to be the voice of reason. I'll let you know.

Which is a perfectly valid reason to hang around. If I may be so bold--and why should now be any different?--and reply on behalf of those who were a wee bit put off by your previous post I don't think any of them object to you're expressing your opinions as boldly as you wish and taking on all comers in whatever manner you choose but making sweeping moral judgments that are plainly intended to be taken personally is a whole different kettle of fish.
And while personal attacks may or may not fly in these forums depending on the content they are unlikely to influence people or win any friends.
Just a thought.

 

[crom-dubh]

But is the point that cannabis is illegal in most countries and beer,cigarettes and scantily clad women are not. So morality doesnt come into it.

 

[TJ 2]

Sorry Crom, someone just hit me with tha stupid stick I think, cos I ain't sure exactly what the point you're making is...

 

[crom-dubh]

Well I thought the original argument was that P8 were using an illegal substance as a selling ploy. Then people seemed to be getting into a big argument about morality. Beer, cigarettes and naked women are not illegal. So how can they be compared to hash?
I am not choosing sides, just saying morality doesnt really come into it.

 

[KillerOnion]

Depending on where and who you are at the time, alcohol has been illegal in various places from time to time. EVERYWHERE IT HAS BEEN SO HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A MISTAKE. As far as drugs go, I believe it's the same mistake that was made with Prohibition, and it's had the same results only magnified. With the US having an absurdly high minimum drinking age, we're one of the few countries that has to put up with the problems that such is supposed to prevent but instead causes. Does the legality of something make it right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable? Certainly not. The moralist arguement doesn't fly either: Christianity itself has been outlawed in dozens of countries from time to time and in some nations it still is now.

In short, legality is a pathetic arguement for the merits of an action. "There is nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so." -- Hamlet

 

[crom-dubh]

I am not saying that the t shirt in question is right or wrong, I am saying that whatever we, on this board think there will be conservative members of society who will disagree with what the T shirts message is because it is (in their eyes) promoting illegal substances. Now if that will do damage to paintballs already tarnished image or give ammunition to those who want to see paintball discredited as a sport, I do not know. But is it worth the risk?

Does the legality of something make it right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable?

Well I cannot see pot heads running to the nearest PB field because of the shirt, but I can see people with strong anti drug sentiments turning away from paintball.

Would people have the same views if the t shirt had "paedophile" printed on it?




Personally I think you should be able to wear what you like.

 

[ollytheosteo]

If smoking pot and paedophilia are morally equivalent then I'm in a shedload of trouble. And so are all the little children.
But seriously- as a medical user of certain herbs I find the high moral tone being taken by certain users of this website just a little comical. For those concerned with the use of drug imagery in the marketing of paintball products, have you looked at the music/film/literary world lately? Loads of wannabes are jumping on the now very fashionable cannabandwagon and exploiting the image of a substance that has now been established as "bad" yet not that bad for you everywhere in the real world (except a few backward countries like the US, who still lock people up for ninety years for growing and distributing medical herbs). Hey ho. Don't see any of them getting dropped by record labels etc. Just for fun, try and make a list of every company to use pot imagery in their marketing. Might take a while.
As far as the legal/moral debate is concerned, don't any of you ever drive your car faster than the speed limit? Far, far more likely to kill someone doing that than skinning up. Unless you try and do both together. Oops.
Cannabis is illegal in the Western world because of a number of factors as disparate as nylon rope, beer, racism, the interests of pharmacutical, beer and tobacco companies and a nasty piece of work called Henry J. Anslinger (may he burn in hell forever). And yet people are still expending lab time all over the world to try and prove that it might possibly do you some lasting harm if you smoke an awful lot of it. Beer and cigs kill hundreds worldwide every day, and yet are legal. And very profitable.This to me suggests that law, as a human construct, is subject to human fallibility and corruption and thus to take the law as gospel is short-sighted.
Lastly, whatever happened to freedom of speech? If you don't like it, don't buy it for your little ones this christmas. To try and ban or restrict self-expression is a dangerous road to walk. There are people out there who think both sex and paintball are a bad idea. I sure hope we don't start listening to them.
Right, enough of this bollocks. I only came on here to have a look and now I've stayed up past my bedtime. I'm off to fill my pipe. Or shag a small boy. Choices choices.

 

[Problem]

Its bottom line time, fellow babies...

Paintball has a great reputation and should have no problem raising money for even an inexpensive cable-type show.

Force of Nature.com: Throughout the year you've heard the buzz of Splatter Factor and the promise of paintball on television, first on Fox Sports and now on The New TNN (to have started on Dec. 7th) Unfortunately due to the delays of raising sponsorship in time to complete the remaining episodes, Splatter Factor has been put in a holding pattern, and will not air this winter.

It's safety record is outstanding.

Warpig.com: Air Accident Claims Life By Bill Mills November 13, 2002 Multiple news agencies have reported that Ralph Sanzeri Jr., a 31 year old volunteer firefighter in Thomaston, Connecticut was fatally wounded while filling a paintball compressed air tank in his bait and tackle shop. (Condolenses to the family involved.)

It's an equal opportunity sport much like the latest trends in women's hockey and basketball.

From Paintball Times: There were many comments "social sexism,"
suggesting that the traditional roles of man and woman have not yet been phased from our society. Embree wrote to me, "[it] is portrayed as a 'man's sport'."

SO WHAT?
My point is not the quotes above, but the fact that the first three websites I chose each had one. I didn't have to look that hard to pull these. Sure you can find similar quotes about other "legitimate" sports, but you'd have to look alot harder and not find two posted within the last few days. That poor guy's family, my heart really goes out to them. The quotes paint our current image, accidental, intentional, it's our reality.

I don't think we can afford to make stupid public mistakes. Stupid internal jokes (like the NPPL) and stupid internal incidents (Sniper Bob Salms) sure, feel the rush. But public displays won't help with the perception, terrible accidents and lack of corporate interest.

It's not about a t-shirt. It's about PR.
Larry Janecka

Mods: I'm a little uncomfortable with this post, thought it might be informational, but if it's gone next time I look, no prob'.

[BL--Gee, Larry, I'm not sure we can allow this inflammatory material. Or we could just put my name on if you prefer. ]

Allright, that's done it, Baca. Don't make me expose who you really are, you know I can. LJ

 

[ices]

Originally posted by Flash-Bugout


Holy Moly Batman, there are paintballers that don't like beer or ciggies!

yea me, apart from a few WkD's an ICe's
U wanna argue ill mug YA!