Before anything else how comes it's Robo this and Robo that but I get stuck with Mr. Richards? I'll have you know he's older than I am though admittedly better looking. Still, I'm confident I could take him arm wrestling.Originally posted by Ironpanther
Mr. Richards, as much as it may seem otherwise, my purpose behind these posts was not to either promote NPPL or bring down any other league or persons; as much as try and recieve clarification and information that I may have missinterpretted or completely missed. I consider both you and Robbo to be much more in the know then myself and as such more able to clearly asses and explain the current situation then me.
I would like to point out that the original question posed to robbo was how he came to the assesment that NPPL seems vulnerable. I apologize for never clarifying that I asked that to see what he based the value of a NPPL pro slot on. I see that value as being directly correlated to the value of the league as percieved by Robbo.
Now to your points regarding my last post.
1. Please be very specific as to what more I would know through further reading.
2. Good question. I think that this issue stems from the simple fact that when the PSP released their tentative schedule it was presented as 100% tentative. While NPPL presented a schedule that though not 100% locked down still showed that at least they have secured their opening event venue. This provides some semblence of security in the notion that barring acts of god or politicians teams can count on HB hosting the NPPL for another year on a specific date. I will not claim to say I speak for anyone other then myself here but that is how I perceived the announcements.
3. Maybe PSP would get more and better qualified refs if they DID know the particulars today instead of shortly before the event. Did that ever occur to you? My point was if you are going to bring one person as simple as a ref into the loop, which I geuss you did not intend, then why not bring everyone? I'm not trying to be silly I'm trying to be informed. My refference to my reffing was simply to qualify that I am not just another person but some one who has worked in or around both leagues. I make no claim to being an insider by any means but at the same time do have some experience beyond reading event reports and sitting in the grandstands.
4. I'll take that as a complement and also sadly as a reflection on how far our sport still has to go. And this is my whole argument. My budget is my cost for the year. And by majority of the teams you mean all the teams that don't have to worry about it because its not there in the first place?
5. It is a concern to me and you are correct that it is my choice. I feel sorry for all the teams that struggle to make ends meet and aren't taking a good hard look at their team cashflow. But that is beside the point. The point is personally it is my goal as a owner and captain to secure solid relationships, with companies willing to invest in us, through positive and plentiful exposure. No matter if my team is novice or full on pro.
6. Sounds like some sales reps I have dealt with "You want 100 *insert brand name here* barrel plugs with that?"
Otherwise, flattery noted. Value of a NPPL Pro spot--lots of different factors go into something like this. As things stand the teams in The 18 don't seem to know what inclusion means so how can a potential buyer? And can such a buyer even buy? It isn't clear. On the plus side NPPL Pro exposure has been superior over the last year or two at least within the Pball world but does it apply equally? Of course it doesn't so assessing a value fluctuates and if, in fact, there are as many potential sellers as rumor suggests the value decreases.
And I have argued in the past that TV success will initially create a wider divide between the Pro haves and have nots so even success with the current ESPN deal doesn't guarantee value as a quantifiable return to the teams.
Further your notion that the league's value or success correlates directly to the teams is a mistake given the present NPPL model which actually places the teams in competition with the league for those hoped for outside dollars. (You really should subscribe to PGI as this has all been dealt with in the recent past.
)1. Why is this relevant unless you are intent on scoring debate points? It doesn't directly relate to either the value of The 18 or your assessment of league value for you and your team. I simply corrected your initial post's misrepresentation as I saw it and suggested if you were interested in playing PSP you would have known more about what's happening. I'll stand by that and see no need to jump through any irrelevant hoops to satisfy your request.
2. Nonsense. You see the same thing from two sources and one is secure and the other suspect. Would it be better if the PSP's first event location was a done deal today--of course it would. But it's also important to the PSP not to have a repeat of the Pittsburgh problem from last summer, hence erring on the side of extreme caution.
3. IP, you are making it increasingly difficult for me to take you seriously. If you wish to contend you base the relative merits of the 2 leagues on preliminary schedules released I'm willing to call that a toss up. And if "fixing" officiating issues could be dealt with as simply as giving them more advance notice what a wonderful world this would be.
4. Did I stutter, IP? We both know most teams "sponsorships" are discounts on purchases--not cash and product. And if you haven't seen a reduction in your sponsorship offers leading into 06 consider yourself lucky.
5. Good for you IP. Keep after that "positive and plentiful exposure." (I hate to be cynical but all kinda alarms are going off for me here, IP. How'd you like to identify the team you own and rep? No harm in that, is there?)
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