Is This Right And Proper??

[Liz]

Originally posted by MrPink
Every scratch/VIP/invitational team can only enter Div1, no exceptions.

Want to define how to class a team as invitational or scratch? Say a group of mates want to play & their regular (domestic Div 3-4) teams aren't playing due to cost - they have to play Div 1? And how many non-regular players make a team invitational - 2, 3, 4? And how do you know that team members are regular players on that team? What's to stop people using a team name & only having one regular member & the others all guests?

Sorry Pinki - nice idea but unworkable and will stop loads of ordinary (i.e. not particularly good) players from doing a Millennium.

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

How about, playing in each division gives a player a points value kept for 3 years with highest value taking precedence,

Div 3 = 1
Div 2 = 2
Div 1 = 3
Pro = 4

Then restrict the points value of anyteam in each division so it can't stack with higher Div players.

e.g Div 3 teams can have a 9 point team on field giving them a choice of,

7x Div 3 players
6x Div 3 and a Div 1
or 5x Div 3 and 2x Div 2

Point value of a player in a current season goes on his/her ID card at the first event they attend and marshalls simply tot up the points value of the team as they chrono and check ID anyway.

 

[MrPink]

Originally posted by Liz


Sorry Pinki - nice idea but unworkable and will stop loads of ordinary (i.e. not particularly good) players from doing a Millennium.

I never said it was workable - I was digging at Tris

Much love to tha Northern Ronin

 

[Your out]

Ed thats not a bad idea for a Iron Lion

 

[go-one]

Theres a number of problems that will always restrict the ability of the MS to implament any form of player / team restrictions beyond the top couple of divisions. Including but not limited to team lifspans, high player turnover, one event local teams (of varing ability), scratch / invitational teams, etc etc etc

Almost any form of 'classification' would be a burden I would not like to inflict on the MS untill they were in a position to implament it propaly cos as out beloved gvmt hasn't quiet realised yet the majority of restrictions / laws brought in ONLY efect those who abide buy the rules and thats not the ppl we have to worry about.

the truth of the mater is the 2 mills and move up (when it was in the rules - not now if you check) was per season so never caught half the ppl it was supposed to and as has been pointed out if you never finnish higher than the top 5 even after 20 attempts then why move up ???

If the MS is seen as the pinical (euro) of competative PB then we shouldn't worry about the 'true novice' teams either, they should cut there teeth at national events not international. !!!

theres no quick fix to this entill, like the NPPL, your in an 'oversubscribed' position and can restrict entry to teams willing to commit to at least 3 events. Then you can seed em and have proper promotion / religation. So heres a thought.

Restrict each Div to 20 teams, have as many divs as you need to meet entry, and the only way in out is by points. that way the 'team & Guests' or VIP or 4 year repeat teams will be seeded and 'alocated' to a div. whether they like it or not.

If the do well they will likely move up, Do bad and will enevitably be seeded lower next event.

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

Theres a number of problems that will always restrict the ability of the MS to implament any form of player / team restrictions beyond the top couple of divisions. Including but not limited to team lifspans, high player turnover, one event local teams (of varing ability), scratch / invitational teams, etc etc etc

I dunno, I think my system above deals with all of the above. The data is based on which divs a player has played in over the last few years which is info MS already have. What team they played with is irrelevant. It means invitational teams who bring in a lot of guest players simply ask them what the highest div they have played in last 3 years and add up there points. They then know what division they can use that combination of players in.

To implement all that needs to be done is add a single field to the ID card which is simple enough and make sure each player has ID checked pre game as they should be.

 

[Chicago]

What's hard about this?

PSP seems to do just fine.

All you have to do is give players ID cards and actually CHECK them. A computer can do the rest. Worst case, just have APPA do it for you since they seem to be able to do it already. Or write your own - you could do something as simple as just counting the number of events, or as advanced as giving each player oints based on how their team does each event and then set threshholds as to where they can competebased on total points, with the points counting more the more recent an event was. Plenty of sports have similar systems - golf and tennis have worldwide ranking systems that work like that.

If Millenium isn't going to have any rules about where you play, they should jus tdispense with classifications entirely and have one division. No rules, you're just giving prizes to people for not moving up, which seems like a pretty stupid reason to give out prizes.

 

[PaintballBudgie]

When I played Div3 at Crystal Palace 3 years ago playing the Pro team was the highlight of my tournament.

Was against the Ducks and we were up 2 against 1. Ok so after a long gun fight he got us both, but hey, made my weekend.

That was always the Joy of Campaign for me, Div 3 team got to play some of the best in the world. Ok , maybe you get creamed but you get creamed by a paintball celeb'.

Oh and think the Pros should stay away from Div 2 & 3.

 

[USELESS]

Seems like this thread is moving around to a international players register for the Milleniums or if the powers that be from each of the major leagues all got their heads together for once (snowball in hell's chance springs to mind ) then it would be the way to track all players movements and who they have played for and how well they have done but seeing as the div 3 at Campaign had twice as many competing in the division as the other 3 divisions then do we really think the event organisers are going to start telling div 3 teams to move up !!! When they can just sit back and have the entry fees coming in from the div 3 teams and not have to give much back in the way of prizes to the teams that win that division except free gifts that the event sponsors have donated.

Pity it just needs someone with the know how and resources to put together a register of this size and keep it maintained to a up to date level which would need the cooperation of all the event organisers to help keep the register up to date.

Easiest way would be that instead of buying loads of different players cards for each series ie NPPL,PSP Milleniums why not have one player card to cover all events. Each has its own unique id numbered bar code which is swiped in at each event that player enters.Then it would be easier to keep a track of players what events they have played, what division and how well that team has done that said player played for.

I work on the railway and we have to carry our own id which shows to what level we are quailified and when certain competences expire this is all put into a national register which is easily checked by any person or company either online or via the phone . Also spot checks are carried out which is done by the card being swiped into a portable card reader and checks are done quick and easily so the software is out there and could be incorporated into something that could do the same for paintball.

 

[go-one]

Dont think the issue is in HOW to rectify the situations, theres plenty of proposals out there !!

Its whether the MS (An lets face it it is only an MS problem with PSP sorted and NPPL Locking down) has the resources or the inclanation to implement anything !!