Is This Right And Proper??

[USELESS]

The point im trying to make is that as i understand it the teams in Div 3 play 2 events then after that they have to move up into Div 2 so why are so many teams playing in Div 3 after 2 events cos the Milleniums cant get their act together and enforce their rules like the ramping issuse nowt was done about it!
What it seems like to me is that you (Your Out) condone teams not playing in their proper divison cos they want a easier ride hell some of the teams that were playing in div 3 were beating their div 1 and div 2 opponents so wheres the arguement in that they should move up . Div 3 is for ROOKIES only some of those teams have been in that div 3 now far to long.
As for locking team rosters then there can be some allowances. Say if a team is short of a player and require one for a event then they will have to get someone who isnt registered and on the roster to another team that has already registered for the Milleniums and has not played at a higher level than that division the team is playing in.
There needs to be a player register and a checkable history of who that player has played for in the past cos it the only way we are gonna stop the sandbaggers robbing the likes of the true rookies who want international experience but dont wanna get their arses kicked in a so called rookie division wheres the fun in that

 

[Chicago]

Trying to track teams is stupid, and I think that's the problem with Millenium - there arn't really any rules about where particular PLAYERS can play, so, there just are not any rules.

It's pretty easy to adopt a PSP or NPPL style rule set, where you track each player individually, and enforce it. PSP is really good at it, NPPL not as good but getting there.

Regardless, it's silly to suggest that we need complicated restrictions like locking down rosters or not letting people play on one team, then another team, then the same team, when something much simpler like "No Pros on DII or DIII teams period" would fix the problem.

As long as Millenium thinks it's a good idea to put tea names on ID cards it's obvious Millenium is more interested in charging for cards than actually having any sort of real classification system.


I also think there shouldn't be any prizes for DIII, but then all the DIII teams whine about how they should get prizes because they pay entry fees, not for actually being good.

 

[Gyroscope]

Yeah, I liked how at the first NPPL Huntington Beach the prize for rookie first place was a 1963 Chevy Cavalier or something. If the prize for rookei division were always some sort of white elephant, you'd get people more anxious to advance.

I wish that registration were level across the board, that each team could only field one guest from a higher divsion, and that the 1st place prize doubled each time you went up a division. IMO, the 1st prize in DI should be less than 2nd prize in Pro. It is easier to win DI than it is to take 2nd in pro, is it not?

 

[SiXplicit]

Originally posted by Liz
Severe VIP are a slightly different position to most Div 3 teams because they are an invitational scratch team - the lineup changes radically from one tournament to the next with rarely more than a couple of players the same as the last one.

That's true, but why not enter the team into the relevant division after you've sorted your line up. It's seriously unfair to enter a team in Div. 3, purely because they are an invitational scratch team, when you're gonna fill the team with top end Div. 1 players. I have nothing against Severe or anyone who has played for them, & I can kinda see why they do it, but doesn't make it fair.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Depends on how you classify a pro. Obviously someone that has played pro, but how long ago. Should there classification drop a catagory for every year that they don't play perhaps.

 

[Jud]

Ringers

Yes we also noticed a team in div 3 sure they were called Paint storm , I heard Rodney from dynasty was playing for them ?? , we looked at there score before our game with them they had maxed every game , we had lost every game at this point, we then lost just the one man and shown them there ass, , then we was summoned back to the marshalls safe area and all our ids was checked , this was requested by the other german team with the pro player in it , this was a great lift as this was also on the millenium field .

Its a shame teams do put in ringers howether i always feel playing against better teams helps improve our game , although genuine novice teams get little chance of winning major events , at there Level, which is a shame .

Marci C you want Taxi

 

[Jasper]

Originally posted by USELESS
The idea for Div 3 was for rookie teams to enter but as it stands at the mo its teams who fancy winning a easier trophy instead of trying to better themselves and get to a higher level of play as i understood it the Mill rules used to state that any team playing in Div 3 could only play in Div 3 twice in that year and would have to move up and if they won a event the next time they played a Millenium event they would play in Div 2 its plus i think with alot of the teams there are players on the teams that have played at a lot higher level than Div 3

yes certain teams should move up after a few events but say your team has played two events at div 3 an won 1 maybe 2 games out of both events do you really think they should move in to div 2 so they can lose more heavily??
If a team consistantly makes sunday club in div 3 then it should move up.

At the same time your smaller teams change players all the time and they have to train new players.

I personally should not be playing div 3 but i do as my team is not good enough for a higher div. my old team was the kamikazzees who came 3rd in toulouse last year an i have made sunday a few more times but that team split an only 2 of us were left we set up this team with a few old hats an newbs an at cc only won 2 games if we had played a higher div where 2 or 3 of us should have been our team would have been slaughtered.

You have to enter at the level of the majority of your players as two or three descent players cannot carry the team in a higher div against 7 descent players

 

[Rosie]

Well if you put a blanket ruling on what players can play what div (eg: have played 3 mils), then there will always be mistakes and inequalities as no player is the same and everyone is at a different level, everyone has different circumstances.

sounds like every case should be considered individually eg: like jaspers team, but this would be far too much work at the moment I think: too complicated.

but in the perfect tournament every roster would be hand-checked and if there were pro/very experienced players then this must be justified if playing in a lower division.

...maybe for the future?

 

[Liz]

Originally posted by Rosie
sounds like every case should be considered individually eg: like jaspers team, but this would be far too much work at the moment I think: too complicated.

This would leave things open to abuse and bias, e.g. a MS official's mates/sponsored team being allowed to stay down a div, or deadly enemies being pushed up a div. I'm not saying that WOULD happen, but just allowing the potential to be there means the accusations would fly.

As someone who's done the divisions for domestic tournaments you'll always have people complaining that they are in too high a division for their recent results/current line-up/compared to the ringers in a different team. And getting a team to declare their exact line-up for a tournament earlier than the day before is virtually impossible, as often they don't even know themselves who is playing until the day before.

 

[MrPink]

Simple (partial) solution:

Every scratch/VIP/invitational team can only enter Div1, no exceptions.

Lets be honest, most of these sort of teams are about that sort of calibre with the amount of Pro/Semi-Pro/Retired Pro players in them anyway.