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interesting article

Hey urban...

>>>I think a swift slap to the jaw or a boot to the balls would make him think twice next time...

Real mature, and guaranteed to improve pball's rep no end...retribution is as bad as crime.

It ain't rocket science - it's about enforcement, pure and simple.
 

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Amen.

One problem with harsh penalties is that it takes more character for a ref to apply them. It is easier to 1-4-1 somebody than it is to suspend them for the season. I like it in theory, but I see a lot of ref wussing out.
 

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Originally posted by gyroscope
Amen.

One problem with harsh penalties is that it takes more character for a ref to apply them. It is easier to 1-4-1 somebody than it is to suspend them for the season. I like it in theory, but I see a lot of ref wussing out.
Its not the refs. Its the tourney organisers.

As a ref i can 1-4-1 2-4-1 etc. I can recomend that a player is expelled/banned. But its up to the organiser to actually do it. Its them that need to grow the balls.
 

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Hey urban...

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
[BReal mature, and guaranteed to improve pball's rep no end...retribution is as bad as crime.

It ain't rocket science - it's about enforcement, pure and simple. [/B]
I guess you and I will have to disagree on this one then.

Granted, the way I typed it made it sound as though it would be pre-meditated (which now, of course, it would be) but I defy many paintballers NOT to respond violently in some way to being shot in the head a handful of times at pointblank range for no practical purpose.

Mature ain't the issue here, enforcement is.. as you pointed out.

And please, until the people who run these series grow a pair big enough to actually enforce anything, people that carry out moves like the one we're talking about will continue to do so.

In Football (american and british) the players will occasionally fight, and by fight I mean exchange maybe one or two punches. They get banned for a couple of games, fined, vilified by the press, whatever. Does it harm football? No. Does it stop the player doing it again? No. The same for Rugby.

I think it's part and parcel of aggresive physical sports like ours that violent acts will take place occasionally, but I have to say that given what I have read on here and elsewhere about Salm, LaSoya and others, I have little faith in the ability of the organisers of these series to assert their authority on overly-aggressive players.

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No, it's not OK.. anymore than me slapping some muppet for double tapping my head at point blank range would be ok.

But it will happen... No matter what you do, it will happen.

Can you see every series organisers getting together and agreeing that players banned from one are banned from all? Coz that's the only thing I can see outside of violence or legal proceedings that would make someone even think twice...

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This sounds a lot like the discussion on cursing - adrenalin sport, self-control, better reffing, etc, etc. So, my feelings on this are pretty simple: if the action (cursing, overshooting, whatever) starts resulting in penalties, the occurance will be reduced because it hurts the entire team.

At HB teams were warned about language in the captains meeting and again on the field. Did players curse? Yes. Did they do it as much as other events? No. (by cursing, I'm talking about the "get the f*** out"-type stuff)

To use TJ's example, if Ben Johnson tested positive for drugs and the IOC didn't strip him of his medal, it sends a message to other athletes: go ahead and use drugs, you won't be penalized. by stripping him of his medal, they sent the message: if you get caught using drugs, you'll lose what you worked for.

I think the same theory holds for mugging/overshooting. If the refs start penalizing it, players will be more aware of it and use more self-control.

Example: Team A has one player left. Team B has two players. A player from team B bunkers the last A player with 6 shots to the head. The ref pulls a 1-for-1 for unsportsmanlike/overshooting. The last B player is pulled and team A wins with an automatic hang. How many times would this have to occur before teams get the message that overshooting can be bad for your team?

Tournament bans, league bans... those might happen down the road but it has to start at the field ref level. If it's not called on the field, it's very tough to penalize it afterwards.
 

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Yeah, and vigilante justice (ie you do something I don't like, I punch you) only results in rule of the most violent and strong. I would rather see rule of law than rule of fist. We're on funny ground because everything in our sport would be assault if the circumstances were different.