interesting article

[TJ Lambini]

Medical personnel?

Nah, happens all tha time and never gets mentioned...I seen guys carried off fields through taking one headshot up close, broekn limbs etc. Often doesn't warrant a mention...

Let's face it, tha only thing that stopped Ben Johnson from being a hero to millions and turned him into a villain was the fact that he got caught. Paintball needs to adopt the same attitude.
And I bin hearing a lot about that gun too cow...

 

[manike]

Chinese whispers.

Originally posted by Gee
5 becomes 12 balls hit.
Playerblacked out for a moment became unconscious and unresponsive
Checked for a concussion become had to have a CAT scan
In hospital for a couple of hours became 7 hours

So i'm of to buy some stock in a salt mine. Since i forsee a run on people having to take a bit of salt with certain paintball articles.

Yep when this was first reported it was 5 hits. Now that is also over doing it, but on Sunday I saw a lot of people walking off field after being mugged with at least 4 hits on them.

Chris is phenomenally fast on the trigger. He's picked up gun's I've been shooting before, pulled a burst faster than I could, smiled and then put it back down again. He pulls the trigger in a conventional style, but so quickly. I've never seen anyone pull a trigger in the normal way so fast as he does.

There have been accusations of electronic gun cheats ever since they came out. Some valid (I've seen proof) and some not valid. Sometimes it's just envy or sour grapes and some times unfortunately people are cheating Who'd have though it!

 

[Red_Merkin]

And I bin hearing a lot about that gun too cow...

now you have to tell...

 

[JoseDominguez]

You can do a lot with a magnet.

 

[Tyger]

ESPN is showing Manchester United vs. Juventus right now. And I'm seeing a lot of potential for nasty stuff to happen, but they're not. These guys could elbow each other more and more violently. They could be kicking each other, they're not. Thre's only 3 refs and a handfull of assistants.

The reason they don't is that there's a standing rulebok. As I remember it, three players on Manchester U. started with yellow cards, fouls that carry over from the last game. There's also enforcmemnt, fines, and charges for aggrivated assault. But, it seems that paintball has none of these things, and from what I read here people want to see more rule pushing and more violent action on the field.

TJ, I thought you were more straightedge than that. Ben Johnston was caught using steroids, and had a gold medal striped from him (For those who didn't know). Are you saying that it's "ok" to use drugs if the ends justify the means? If you get faster, or your endurance goes up, it's ok to do drugs?

As for everyone else, where do you draw the line? Regardless of how many times someone is shot in the head, the guy was dazed at best, KO'd at worst. When do you say "ENOUGH!"? When is the fine line crossed? How much behavior will be tolerated? Is it "OK" to take a perfectly good angel and throw it against a wall because you lost? (Seen it done) Is it "Cool" to throw an electro in PRACTICE because you got shot? (Refrence the movie "PUSH") Is it a show of skill to tap somoene in the head 5+ times point blank and cause them to not know which way is up?

If you're going to play out of control (If LaSoya himself doesn't know how many times he shot the guy, he's not in control.) then don't play. I don't want to be injured when a compressed air tank snaps off of a gun that some moron threw on the ground and hits me. I don't want to have to go to a hospital becasue some idiot assumed I would spin on him and not call myslef out. And I don't want to have to seperate players who are hopped up on adranaline and put my body in the middle of a fistfight because I'm the ref, and that's my job. I'm surprised you guys don't want "Full contact bloodsport paintball", and bring that "War image" to the tournament circut too.

(Enough of a jab for you folks?)

-Tyger

 

[JoseDominguez]

R.E drugs in sports......."Let's face it, tha only thing that stopped Ben Johnson from being a hero to millions and turned him into a villain was the fact that he got caught."

That's the thinking that got the entire Italian tour de france team sent home a couple of years back... they were all on EPO (erythropoetin) so the entire team had an unfair advantage... they were only caught because their coach kept good records, how many sportsmen still use it? the England football team had blood taken before the last world cup... not against the rules, but identical effects to EPO when it's put back...... so where do we draw the line? It's about time some serious penalties were handed out and applied throughout paintball, not just bans from specific competitions, it's the Mike Tyson thing again....... half of the boxing world considers him a dangerous nutter... the other half let him box......fine for him, he still makes his money, and the bad boy image ensures it's in the millions.

 

[TJ 2]

>>>TJ, I thought you were more straightedge than that. Ben Johnston was caught using steroids, and had a gold medal striped from him (For those who didn't know). Are you saying that it's "ok" to use drugs if the ends justify the means? If you get faster, or your endurance goes up, it's ok to do drugs?


I am dude, but thass not my point...how many of my or your sporting heroes may have done what Johnson did, or worse, and we'll never know?

My point is simple - improve tha reffing, enforce tha penalties, but don't expect some athletes to ever stop puishing or breaking tha rules cos they won't. You can't change every player's morality or enforce a conscience on em, but you can make em so fearful of tha penalties that they won't cheat.

 

[Gyroscope]

One reason Guy Cooper may have made the incident at the MSTS finals sound more violent and sensational than Paintball.com is that the Yarddogs are a PBA (PaintBall Adventures) team. PBA is the retail side of Prostar, Guy's company. These are Guy's guys.

Is it serious anyway? Yes it is. Is it hard to find a lawyer in Colorado? No, it isn't. Do we sign the same waiver everytime we play one of these tournaments? Yes. So you can't sue Mike Lynch for this.

Maybe Chris Lasoya should circulate a waiver to the teams he will be playing against, just in case the game demands that he shoot someone a lot of times in the head to make sure of winning.

Good thing that equipment assesors are on hand to make sure certain guns don't display "special powers". No one was looking for it last year at the MSTS, but I bet they will be now... Lynch gets on these forums often enough. The marker in question must have it's settings altered by the owner to sometimes go full auto. The manual, however tells one how to do it, if it is read carefully. Lasoya wasn't shooting one of those, though, so that's not the smoking gun.

 

[Urban]

Originally posted by TJ 2
My point is simple - improve tha reffing, enforce tha penalties, but don't expect some athletes to ever stop puishing or breaking tha rules cos they won't. You can't change every player's morality or enforce a conscience on em, but you can make em so fearful of tha penalties that they won't cheat.

The only thing that would, in my opinion, make people like LaSoya that fearful is an international ban that ran across all tournaments, all series... and like that's going to happen. He knows damn well that any ban is not going to be universal so he'll still be able to play.

I think a swift slap to the jaw or a boot to the balls would make him think twice next time... and having just been shot x number of times in the head surely that would also come under the "Got carried away in the moment, terribly sorry, won't happen again" attitude that Chris has displayed this time, and in the past?

Personaly, I hope he gets sued... a punch in the wallet works almost as well as a punch in the mouth.

Urban

 

[Tyger]

Originally posted by TJ 2
I am dude, but thass not my point...how many of my or your sporting heroes may have done what Johnson did, or worse, and we'll never know?

My point is simple - improve tha reffing, enforce tha penalties, but don't expect some athletes to ever stop puishing or breaking tha rules cos they won't.

First : If you want to get technical about it, several 'ball players were accused of taking suppliments to increase muscle mass to hit more home runs. I think that Bonds, McGuire, and a few more were on the list.

And untill the '98 winter games, marijuana was a legal drug according to the IOC. Remember the canadian boarder who tested positive for marijuana? I do, I still wish I got the t-shirt from the "Canadian snowboard team" with a cannibis leaf instead of a maple leaf.

As far as the reffing goes, you need to get refs that won't hesitate to pull a player, and who aren't tied to sponsorships, or events tied to sponsorships. Just enforcement of the rules wold be enough.

Let's also remember that Robbo was quick to critisize the USA X-Ball team at IAO for "Extra love", AKA the bonus ball. This is not isolated, it's just the case that this guy was possibly injured as a result.

-Tyger